MH: Ok, today is April 21, 2016 and I'm here with Cynthia Huebschen in the PolkLibrary on the second floor at 10:30 am. I am interviewing her about the UW-Oshkosh 150th anniversary celebration; and here is the deed of gift document that we will go over at the end of the interview but I'd just like to show you that to have you aware of it. I intend to speak with you for about 60 minutes, is that ok with you?
MH: So, you told me before that your father died [when you were] around the ageof 16, and you went to UW-Oshkosh because of that.
CH: Well I went to UW-Oshkosh particularly because the social security at the1:00time would pay for my education.
MH: Is that because of the benefits of everything that had happened to you inyour childhood?
CH: It's because my father died when I was 16.
MH: So, you grew up in Oshkosh correct?
MH: Did you parents grow up in Oshkosh as well?
CH: Um, my mother grew up in New London; my father was in New London when theymet. I'm not entirely sure if he grew up there.
MH: Ok and how did they meet?
CH: (CHUCKLE) I don't think my mother ever said.
MH: That's ok. What was your family makeup? Did you have siblings and what werethey all like?
CH: Um, I was the last of five children and came trailing 12 years after mynearest brother. I have 2 brothers and 2 sisters, one of each remaining- 2:00
CH: -Um, let's see. I had aunts and uncles on my mother's side. Well, there weretwo brothers but one died very young and that left one; and one sister who moved to California and my father had a sister who died relatively young of cancer and also had three brothers.
MH: Ok. Were you close with your siblings?
CH: Yes. Pretty much.
MH: Are you still close with them?
CH: Yes, the one that is left in Oshkosh, we meet about once a week to- just-3:00
MH: Catch up?
MH: That's nice.
CH: The other one lives in Arkansas so I don't see him quite as often.
MH: Yes, it's a bit of a distance.
MH: What was a day for you [like] when you [were] a child, a typical day?
CH: Well, if I had to go to school which I didn't enjoy, then my mother woulddrag me, probably literally, out of bed (CHUCKLE) and send me on my way. I'd hide as much as I could throughout the day and come home to play. We didn't have much homework, I don't think, when I was in grade school at the time. So, I'd play outside mostly by myself. Sometimes my nephew would come over and we would play.
MH: Oh yeah, there was a huge age difference, so you would have a nephew. Thatis kind of how my family is, too. 4:00
MH: -And you said your father died when you were young, I'm sorry to hear that,what was the cause of that?
CH: A stroke.
MH: A stroke? Ok. Were you the first in your family to attend college or didyour siblings attend college-?
CH: My nearest brother went to college and he got a master's degree also; he wasa psychologist.
MH: Ok. Is that kind of where you got your idea for psychology?
CH: Probably. Um, it was always interesting to me. I knew I couldn't go intomedicine because I didn't do well with blood and wounds and I knew I didn't want to go into teaching because I hated school.
MH: That's tough. Ha. So, it was kind of a slim area to choose from.
MH: Where did your brother go to college?
CH: He went here also.
MH: Ok, for the same reason kind of?
CH: Um, well for him it wasn't that it was paid for other than he was a veteran.5:00So, whatever the veterans got then.
MH: The GI Bill, maybe-?
CH: That might be.
MH: What kind of work did your parents do?
CH: My mother was a housewife; she actually had started college here but didn'tget very far- and my dad was um a master tool maker at what was then, Mercury Marine.
MH: Ok, that's really cool. Still an up and going [job]. You attended UWO in1976 to 1980 and then continued to graduate school, correct?
MH: -And your intended major was initially undecided and then psychology, whydid you choice that after not being so sure?
CH: Um, it was just something that was interesting to me and when thinking of6:00something I wanted to do for a career I thought, "well helping people would be good" and I could handle running tests and things if that's what that involved.
MH: What did you think you'd end up doing with a psychology major?
CH: Um, I wasn't really sure. I was thinking something in industrial psychology.
MH: Ok. Did you think you would stay around Oshkosh your whole life?
CH: (DEEP BREATH) no, not really.
MH: No? That's ok. If you could go back, would you chose a different major orare you happy you chose that?
CH: Um- I don't know, it's okay. I did it sort of an odd way because I got a BAin psychology which isn't the usual way. It's usually a BS but I was really bad 7:00in math and found out I couldn't make it through remedial math at the college level. It limited my options a little bit.
MH: A little.
CH: If it weren't for that, I would've done something in sciences. I was alwaysvery interested in animals. That would've been cool.
MH: Yes, that would've been really cool. How important was school to you? I knowyou said you didn't like it as a child but as you grew older did you learn to enjoy it?
CH: Um, I pretty much disliked all the way through high school I had a couplefriends in high school and that helped some but I would say I never really enjoyed school until I got to college.
MH: You liked college, though?
MH: What I'd you like so much about it?
CH: Um. Well, it was interesting. There were things I felt I could learn where8:00high school was most of classes I felt like I wasn't learning anything. Certainly not gym class. I didn't like that ha.
MH: That's true. (CHUCKLE)
CH: As where in college I took dance for my um, physical education credit and Iactually liked it enough where I went back and took the second one also.
MH: I know, some of the most interesting classes are the random ones you get totake. How important was school to your family- college to your family?
CH: I think it was kind of assumed that I would go to college because I had goodgrades in under schooling- primary and secondary.
MH: Yeah, so were you a good student all through your life then?
CH: Yeah, pretty much.
MH: Ok and what did your parents think when you chose to go here, well what didyour mom think when you chose to go here?
CH: Um, well I don't think that she had considered an alternative because she9:00liked the idea of my being here and the social security paying for it, so I think she figured I would go here.
MH: Smarter choice, yeah.
CH: Yeah. When I got the acceptance letter, I was happily telling my siblingsand one of them went, "well, what did you think, that you wouldn't be accepted?" well "no" (CHUCKLE)
MH: Kind of just is exciting though; and you spoke previously to me about someof the psychology professors that you had and you specifically talked about Roy-Dixon Robinson-
MH: What did you like so much about him?
CH: He was uh, an older gentlemen, and I expect he probably was always a littleeccentric and I suspect he probably had become more so and he had so many 10:00experiences to tell about and he was interested in para (UNCLEAR) psychology and- cultural and it just seemed just everything.
MH: Just everything- did he kind of teach about all different kinds of things?
CH: He strayed off topic a lot. I don't know that we ever really followed whatwas on the syllabus and yet I got good enough grades and took a lot of notes and really enjoyed the classes.
MH: Mhm. was there a specific topic that you liked to learn about with him, onethat stuck with you maybe?
CH: Well- I guess the religious part of it was interesting and para psychologyand um, cultural differences and cultural beliefs and death. 11:00
MH: Ok, when growing up did you go to church with your family?
CH: When I was young, yeah.
MH: Ok, what kind of church did you go to?
CH: First United Methodist.
MH: Ok, I'm Methodist also. When you were in college were you a part of anychurch groups or anything like that?
CH: No. By that time I had found my way away from (CHUCKLE) it.
MH: Away from it?
CH: Ha yes. Actually what had persuaded me away from it was when I was a teen Idecided to read the Bible. I wanted to read it all the way through, chapter by chapter, and they lost me before the New Testament started. I thought, this is nuts, its psychotic.
MH: I know, it's a little crazy. Um, what did your curriculum consist of?12:00
CH: Um, some of the classes had a lab component like experimental psychology andlet's see what other ones- I can't remember which classes. Besides labs it was mostly lecture; there were a couple of field trip type of things but they didn't do that as much then as they do now.
MH: Ok, what kind of field trips, if you did go on one, what was it?
CH: Uh, I think there was one to the museum.
MH: What museum was it?
CH: In Oshkosh.
MH: Ok. Ok. If you had to choose your favorite class, maybe not the specificname or anything, what was it about?
CH: The psychology ones mostly.
MH: The religious ones?
CH: Mhm-and statistics.
MH: That's strange.
CH: Which even though I can't do math, I was good in statistics because it made13:00sense to me. I could see a reason for collecting the information.
MH: Yeah because it has background for it - a need for it. Compared to the timeyou went to school and now, what do you think of the tuition prices?
CH: I don't even know what they are now but I don't think I'd be going tograduate school if I'd be going now.
CH: -and even with just undergraduate I'm sure I'd have over 20 thousand dollarsin debt.
MH: I know, it's crazy. Did you have to take out any money in college or was itall paid for?
CH: Um, only for graduate school, I got a loan.
MH: Ok. Yeah.
CH: That was pretty easy to pay off.
MH: That's nice then. Do you remember the price of college when you were in school?
CH: Um, I'm thinking the price for graduate school all together was probably,14:00$1,500 or there about. I don't remember what it was per credit.
MH: Ok, big difference.
MH: Ok, so when you first started coming to Oshkosh what was your first impression?
CH: That it was different than high school which that was good; that it wasconfusing layout for the campus.
MH: It is a little bit.
CH: Parking was difficult.
MH: Anything else? Did you have any impressions on dorms? People? Maybe thechancellor at the time? Anything like that.
CH: I never saw much of the dorms and didn't have much awareness of thechancellor. I liked that you would see students from all over, like I mentioned 15:00the Iranian students I got to know-
CH: -and um, I had an African American friend and now I know there are Africanstudents who go here for years in education and nursing fields and I- I- just liked that there was a variety of people.
MH: It is very diverse.
MH: You said you met your friend here. Sima Sirhazi- is that correct?
CH: Mhm, yeah.
MH: What was she like?
CH: She was nice. Um, thoughtful; we would talk about the way things were. Youcouldn't really get away from the Iran contra business at the time so we talked some about that and she said she planned to go back to Iran and try to work for some changes. Even at the time, I thought "I wish she wouldn't go back." 16:00
MH: You said, you didn't know if she has gone back or not?
MH: What kind of things would you and her do together like for fun?
CH: Um, we didn't do anything much bowling or any of that; not even going out toeat or anything. We'd just get together on campus and visit.
MH: [Just] chit-chat?
MH: Was she the same year as you?
CH: Um, I think she might have been a year behind, I'm not certain anymore.
MH: You said there was a group of Iranians here then?
CH: Well, there was Sima and her friend and I can't remember her friends name;I'm sure there were others but not that I knew.
MH: Ok and did they live on campus I'm believing?17:00
MH: Ok, so as you said, bar-hopping, sports and dorm activities were a hugeaspect of the college life, as they are now. Why did you chose not to partake in those things?
CH: Um, if I had been in one of the dorms, I maybe would've enjoyed that enough.Bar-hopping I had done sufficient of that-at the time the drinking age was 18.
MH: Oh yes, that makes sense.
CH: So, when I got to college I didn't want to continue and sports I just neverwent to a single game of any kind.
MH: That's ok, me neither. Was your brother interested in any sports when he was here?
CH: I don't think so.18:00
MH: Did he live off campus as well?
CH: Uh, let's see, I'm trying to remember if he was married. I know he wasmarried when he went to graduate school so he was living away then. He probably was married when he was an undergraduate because of going into service.
MH: Ok, that makes sense then. Is that brother still alive?
MH: Are they still married?
CH: No. He's on his third wife (CHUCKLE).
MH: Oh, no. That's not good. What did you do for leisure time?
CH: Um, read.
MH: Do you still enjoy to read?
CH: Yeah, and I'd help my mother around the house a little bit- a little bit ofgardening- we had dogs at the time, so I could walk the dogs. 19:00
MH: I take it you and your mom had a close relationship-?
MH: Could you tell me about that a little bit?
CH: Well. Um, I was the last one left at home so I probably got a little spoiledthat way. She always kind of lived through her children. She didn't get along with my father and by the time I came along, I think he was trying to reach out a little bit and get a little closer but by that point she was like, "go away, I don't want anything to do with you."
CH: I didn't feel like I was very close to my dad but my mom and I would watchthe same kinds of TV shows and movies; and she also liked to read - not necessarily the same things as I did but-
MH: Just kind of did the same types of things, good friends-?20:00
CH: Mhm (HEAD NOD).
MH: What was your psychology society? PsiChi, was it? What was that like?
CH: It was just on paper really.
MH: Ok, so you didn't really do anything active in it?
CH: No, I got a certificate saying I was enrolled.
MH: It's kind of nice to have it there. You said you were a good student allyour life, what kinds of things would you do to maintain your GPA and to study and things like that?
CH: Prior to high school, I felt like I didn't really have to do anything, itwas easy. High school was a little more work. The only classes I remember are English [classes] and I liked that one because of my teacher otherwise I would 21:00just do the homework I was given and [I] didn't really have to work on it until I got to college.
MH: Mhm. When you got to college what changed for you?
CH: Well, the classes were more difficult and there were things I had no ideaabout so I felt like I was starting all new in some areas where previously I felt like it was review.
MH: Mhm. What kind of study techniques would you use in college?
CH: Um, I tried to take notes in class because I felt like I'd remember thingsbetter if I wrote them down, read the textbook, highlight a little bit - not too much otherwise you end up with pages and pages of it-
MH: Of course.
CH: -highlighted and then nothing is highlighted.
MH: That's true, it's tough. Ok, um, were activities equal for both genders on22:00campus when you came to school.
CH: It seemed to me there were more for males but that might just be because ofsports because at the time there weren't many women sports I think.
MH: Yeah, we've talked about that and it sounds like that was a time women werefighting to have more sports on campus. Was there anything else you had noticed?
CH: The guys really liked the bar-hopping, I'm not sure many women did.
MH: Yeah, that makes sense too. What was it like to be a women on campus?
CH: Um, once in a while the professors were sort of like, "oh, you girlswouldn't understand that kind of thing." 23:00
MH: Oh, jeez.
CH: Not the psychology professors, some of the other ones.
MH: Yeah, what kind of professors did you like to have? Like, what kind ofcharacteristics did you like?
CH: Um, really there were a lot of different ones. (UNCLEAR) was very personalbut businesslike in class, he pretty much stayed on topic but he talked about things in a way you could understand. Ned Klien, who taught experimental psychology was sort of abrupt and businesslike and I remember he didn't suffer non-experimental people very gladly. Somebody in class asked, "well in your mind do you think-" and he interrupted, "wait a minute. What is a mind, where is it, 24:00what does it look like?"
MH: Sounds like a tough teacher to have sometimes.
CH: Oh, and [for] biology I had Neal Haromen and William Slowly for a Man in aBiosphere and whatever was the class after that. That was interesting too because it went into things I had no idea about so it felt like I was starting all new.
MH: Mhm. That is true. Would you say, that, I don't know- now we have so manyliberal arts classes we have to take, we have the quest classes we have to take- did you have any of those types of classes in your curriculum?
CH: We had to take some things in the arts, I took appreciating the arts, orunderstanding the arts or something like that. Which was just a big lecture pit class and a survey of art history but still I thought it was interesting. What 25:00little I know about art, all came from that class and we had to take something in the sciences and physical education and um- English there was something but I had tested out of most of that so I only had to take one English class.
MH: Ok. Looking back on the campus now compared to then, is there anything thatis new that you wish you would've had then, that we have now?
CH: Um, the Horizon Village is cool although I don't know I would've stayed inthere anyway but it would've been nice to have.
MH: Mhm. It is very nice.
CH: I would've been more active on campus if they had the student rec center; atthe time there was bowling in the basement of reeve union. That was about it. 26:00
MH: Really? That's funny. Were there other activities that they kind of held forstudents that you knew of?
CH: Well there were probably things going on that I wasn't paying attention to.
MH: Oh, that's ok. Did you go to homecoming or anything like that?
MH: No? Ok, it sounds like that was fading off at that time anyway.
CH: Well, they still have it now.
CH: I don't go to most of those but I'm more likely to go to those now then Iwas then.
MH: (CHUCKLE) when you were in college, did you date anybody or go on any dates?
CH: On occasion, I dated an African American guy a little bit and a couple of27:00other people kind of, casually.
MH: Mhm. You said it was casual, what was the dating scene at that time?
CH: I think pretty much like now, you go to movies or out to eat or bars - forthe people who like that. There's more to do on campus now then back then but otherwise in town that was pretty much the scene.
MH: Did your friend Sima date anyone while she was here?
CH: I don't think so, not that I know of.
MH: Ok. Once you finished college, how did you feel? Like once you got yourdegree and were just done with everything?
CH: With graduate school also?
CH: I was relieved it was done, worried about a job. As I mentioned, I got lucky28:00in the employment.
MH: You said a lot of people were leaving the library here, for new jobs, howcome you chose to stay here?
CH: Well, I could live at home and help out my mother and she liked that idea. Ididn't have to get more expenses for moving, I could stay at home, pay off my student loan and save money.
MH: Mhm. That works out; and what did you do when you started working here? Whatkind of tasks did you do?
CH: Starting off, it was mostly reference but kind of anything, I would kind ofjust help out with things. I mostly was staffing the reference desk, at the time we had little student coverage not like now so we were out there from 8 in the 29:00morning to 9 at night.
MH: That's a long day. Have you used your degree outside of college?
CH: Well, for psychology-just for reading things I'm interested in. Um, forlibrary work-of course, I use here what I learned but mostly what I use is what I learned on the job.
MH: Ok, well that makes sense. Kind of what you do for any job. What was the jobmarket like when you graduated?
CH: It was better than now. Um, trying to think- any of my other friends- theones who hadn't gone to college found jobs. I can't remember exactly what but at 30:00the time there were jobs at factories available.
CH: You could do that kind of work if you didn't mind. A lot of people went intoteaching and there was a really good field for employment in healthcare of course. I'd say it is a lot better than now.
MH: Was this a big nursing school when you were here? I know it was a goodteaching school.
CH: Um, not that I knew of. It probably was.
MH: Just kind of there though?
MH: From the people you knew, the people you went to high school with andgraduated with, what kinds of jobs did those people do?
MH: I know you said some [people] went into the industrial side of things butthe people you graduated with mostly - what kind of jobs did they go towards?
CH: [I'm] trying to remember- other than the people in the library school, I31:00didn't really keep up with any of them. So, the only ones I know of went to graduate school with me. One of them is working at the museum interestingly [enough], and one who came along a year later, is working here at the library like I am.
MH: Ok, are you all very close them?
MH: Yeah? -and um, you said you got your- never mind - sorry. Why were peopleleaving this job when you came to take this job?
CH: The directors at the library were going through a period where- I'm not sure32:00if I should say this or not (CHUCKLE)- there was one who people referred to as the "Black Dean" it sounded like the way people would refer to the Black Knight. I didn't even realize it was because she was African American. It was evil; and then she was followed by another person who didn't really care about the library and another one who wasn't really high handed-but he wouldn't really think of asking staff opinion on things. [He] would do what he wanted to do and don't worry about the staff thinks so staff wasn't pleased by this and they were fleeing.
MH: So, everyone just kind of left?
CH: (HEAD NOD)
MH: Oh, goodness. Was there any other controversy on campus that you can recall?Maybe between students, between staff, maybe while you working here. 33:00
CH: There was a lot of angst with what was then the St. Patrick's Day parties. Idon't know why it started but in the 1970s and into the 80s, the students were just out of control; they would go out on St. Patrick's day and just trash everything, so the university started making the spring break fall on St. Patrick's day. Now they got away from that problem and back to where students are here for St. Patrick's Day and it is not anything like what it was before.
MH: That is crazy. Were you ever a part of those big riots?
MH: Were you here on Black Thursday?
CH: No, I wasn't in school yet.
MH: Do you remember hearing about it?34:00
CH: Only a little. My brother probably would've been here at the time but Idon't recall him saying very much. He was probably sympathetic overall to the students taking over Dempsey Hall; otherwise the ones I was going to school with, if they talked about it at all, which is kind of a university students (UNCLEAR).
MH: Was there racial tension when you were at school?
CH: Not that I was aware of but not that I would've been because I was notAfrican American myself.
MH: Mhm and it sounds like you kind of got along with everyone.
MH: Ok, when you were in high school was there a lot of segregation?
CH: Not by race because there were really only white students in school but35:00there was a big gap between the popular people and the jocks and everyone else.
MH: Kind of how it is today, I would say.
MH: Where did you go to high school?
CH: Oshkosh North. Mine was the first freshman class that went to Oshkosh Northin 1972 and by the time my class finished with it, there were holes in the walls and the TVs were all broken.
MH: Oh, why??
CH: They gave up on the open concept business. I didn't have nice people in my class.
MH: It sounds like it. Did a lot of them come to Oshkosh with you- school here?
CH: Not that I know of. Probably because I didn't want to keep up with them-probably because I didn't want to except for my two friends and they didn't go to college.
MH: Why was everyone so crazy in high school?
CH: Uh, probably something to do with the 60s, people were kind of feeling-out36:00their place in society.
CH: Um, even though we were too young to really partake in the 60s, I was ten in1968, it was enough that it kind of knocked people off their places where they would've been prepared to go into and some people hadn't figured out where they could fit.
MH: Mhm, they're kind of testing the waters, you could say?
MH: -and you didn't do that? You kind of watched everyone get a little crazy,would you say?
CH: Mhm. I had always been kind of a loner. I didn't feel bad that I had been37:00excluded by that time.
MH: It's probably ok that you were. What war did your brother take part in?
CH: It was Vietnam War.
MH: Did he talk about it a lot?
CH: He really said very little. I only did know what I knew from my mother atthe time saying that he was actually supposed to get a student deferment but his paper work had been done wrong by one of the professors so it didn't count as a deferment. He got drafted insight of being a student.
MH: I'm sure that was very disappointing and scary.
CH: Mhm yeah. My older brother had gone into service- it would've been Koreabecause he was that much older.
MH: Ok, did he go willingly then?38:00
CH: Um, I guess willingly. He was able to learn a trade so that was good and hehad a few good professional jobs after that so he didn't really mind.
MH: So, did what did your siblings go into?
CH: My siblings only worked until they got married and one worked again afterher children were grown. She worked at a bank in town. I don't remember what the title was; it wasn't like loan officer but she would work at a counter and do things for people. My other sister was very good at typing; she was a very good secretary and had been told they didn't want to lose her when she quit but at 39:00the time that is what was done when you got married.
MH: That is nice. Are you married?
MH: -and did you meet your husband in Oshkosh?
CH: On campus actually; in the library.
MH: Oh really? That's so cute. Did you meet when you were working or-?
CH: Mhm. He stopped by when I was staffing the desk one night to visit; he'dcome by every once in a while to say hi. Once I asked him about music and we talked a little about that; and um, my neighbor at the time who lived across the street also worked in custodial services and knew Michael and was kind of pushing me, "oh you should get to know Michael, he's a really nice guy" and was like "yeah yeah yeah-" (CHUCKLE)
MH: Yeah, you were probably like, "whatever."
CH: He was really good looking. I figured he probably had a dozen girlfriends.40:00Oh, no he didn't have any girlfriends.
MH: Then you got him and married him. That's so cute, did you marry right away?
CH: Um, I'm trying to remember. It was probably a little less than a year afterwe started dating that he proposed. He came to work and came to my office and actually got down on his knees.
MH: Did you cry?
MH: That's so cute and so exciting.
CH: He's a really sweet guy. He had gone to graduate school in Missouri.
MH: Ok, did he grow up down there?
CH: No, he had grown up Hartford.
CH: -and after graduate school, which didn't work out very well, he never wasable to finish his last project. Things just didn't work. So he worked in 41:00Florida for a little bit and then started looking in Wisconsin because he liked the area and wanted to get back by his folks. What was open at the time was custodial jobs so he took the civil service desk and got in at Oshkosh.
MH: Does he still work here?
CH: He's retired now.
MH: -and you still live in Oshkosh correct?
MH: Ok and that's pretty much all I have, do you have anything you'd like toadd, anything at all?
CH: Well in a whole I think a lot of the changes on campus have been good,positive things. I like the green space. There used to be something called the "mounds" on campus. 42:00
MH: What is that?
CH: It was just mounds in the grass and everyone just called them the "mounds"and people made fun of them and called them the green breasts covering campus.
MH: (CHUCKLE) what were they, just there?
CH: I think it was supposed to be artistic but later I think they found a newway to beautify the campus and did away with the mounds.
MH: That's probably good.
CH: Um, it still [has] some of the old trees they kept. I like the new buildingsand new renovations. The library has gotten much different since I started working here.
MH: What has changed about it?
CH: Mostly the administration.
MH: Ok have they- has it changed for the better?
MH: What has changed about it that you like?43:00
CH: There's a lot more collaboration now, they don't just make decisionstop-down. Like, "oh, you will all do this from here on out" and people are approachable and there's more of a focus on services for students now as opposed to "well I don't really know what the focus was before."
MH: There is a lot. They help a lot at this library. It is very helpful.
CH: That's good to know.
MH: It is good. Overall would you say you are happy that you came to Oshkosh?
CH: Yeah, pretty much.
MH: Is there anything you'd change about your college career?
CH: I sort of wish I would've gone someplace else to branch out a little more44:00and see different areas of Wisconsin.
MH: Mhm. Where do you think you would've gone if you had the choice?
CH: Um, Lacrosse has a nice campus, Stevens Point- Green Bay is nice now. At thetime I think it was just a very small campus- I even thought about Madison but I'm not sure I would've liked it.
MH: It is a very big school. Well, I don't know. I'm trying to think. Is thereanything you would've changed with your major or would you have tried to get a different job?
CH: Well, I should've tried harder in that math class I couldn't make itthrough. There probably would've been tutors available if I would've looked into 45:00that which I didn't at the time... then there would've been more choices to things I could've done.
MH: If you could give any college student a piece of advice what would it be?
CH: Well... besides find ways to save your money (CHUCKLE)
MH: (CHUCKLE) yeah, that's a tough one.
CH: - um, I guess to just be open to different people an different experiencesbecause you never know what is going to strike and you may end up in a field you never expected.
MH: Is it a good thing to take chances at this age then, would you say?
CH: Yes, I'd say so.
MH: Is there anything else you'd like to add before we go over the Deed of Gifts document?46:00
CH: No, I can't think of anything.
MH: Ok, that was a good interview, thank you.