Interview with Kylie Hodges, 04/22/2016 (Transcript Only)

UW Oshkosh Campus Stories
Lexy Xiong, Interviewer | uwocs_KylieE_Hodges_04222016.mp3
Campus Stories Oral History Project (UWO Audio Series 51) |

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KH: Hello

LX: Hi

KH: Hi, how are you doing?

LX: Good, ([chuckles] how are you?

KH: Good, did you find that space?

LX: Yes I did.

KH: Cool.

LX: Okay, so I guess I'm going start our interview. But before I start our interview, I just have a couple of things that I need to say because it is an oral interview. So today is April 22nd and it is currently 8:13 p.m. and I am Lexy Xiong doing an over the phone interview with Kylie. And then right now, if we were doing an, like, a person to person interview, I would have to give you like a deed of gift document which I've told you about before. So after the interview, later, I will send you the email or like have it attached in an email and you can just send it to me either through like a fax or however you want to do that.

KH: Yeah I'll email or fax it to you.

LX: Okay and then also, I just wanted to let you know that the reason why I am interviewing you is for my history class. We're, it's, yeah it's for my history quest 3 class and we're just interviewing alumni and you can just tell me about, we're just going to talk about your life and your college experience and all that good stuff, so…

KH: Sounds good

LX: yeah, okay so to start things off, if you'd like to tell me, where is your family from?

KH: Like, my immediate family? Or my descendants?

LX: Yeah--

KH: Like my descendants way way back…

LX: Yeah, sure we can start there. Where, where is your family from? Like…

KH: Well I was born and raised in Madison.

LX: Okay.

KH: My parents still live there. My brother lives in Minneapolis.

LX: Okay.

KH: And my parents were both born and raised in the same town in Wisconsin. It's a really tiny town called Camp Douglas.

LX: Oh how did they meet?

KH: They met in 5th grade. They went to school together and they were high school sweethearts.

LX: Aww. That's cute!

KH: Yeah and they're from like a really tiny town where it's like less than 500 people and they were the, the few people [chuckles] from their high school to, go to college and they actually didn't get married until after college. Which in the 70s, I feel like it's, kind of rare, you know?

LX: Yeeeah. So…

KH: And my--

LX: Oh.

KH: Oh well I was gonna say my mom went to UW Stout and my dad went to Eau Claire. That's all.

LX: Oh, okay. So, you said that you grew up in Madison then, what was your neighborhood like when, where you lived in Madison?

KH: Well I lived in two neighborhoods in Madison. They were both on the east side. The first house, when I was really little, that I lived in was really close to Lake [Minona?]

LX: Oh that's cool.

KH: It was really great. We had a lot of neighborhood kid friends so it was kind of like a young family area and then when we moved, it was like a bigger house but like a quieter neighborhood with a lot of old people.

LX: [chuckles] yeah.

KH: [chuckles] And I mean there was still neighborhood kids but it wasn't as fun, as the old, the old [unclear][laughs]

LX: Yeah, so…

KH: And then my parents still actually live in that house.

LX: Oh they do?

KH: Yeah.

LX: OH, so...

KH: [unclear][pause]

LX: Sorry you can keep going.

KH: That's okay they just lived there 20 years, that's all.

LX: Okay so, since you live in Madison too, what's it like living in Madison? Do you have, like, is there a lot of things that you can go and see and like take part in there?

KH: Well, you know I gotta say that I'm a bit biased. I think if I were to ever make the move back to Wisconsin, Madison is probably the only place it would be.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And I think, I mean I don't know, growing up in Madison, I think, gave me like a really unique childhood compared to the rest of the state because Madison is just so, [pause] liberal and progressive and, and, you know, it's very, it embraces the university and it's a very, like, cultural, intellectual town and really open and, I love that. And I love that, you know, there's always something to do, always something to see. You know, especially when you get downtown, it's kind of a, happening spot.

LX: Yeah.

KH: But I guess as like, now that I think about it, I never really hung out downtown until I was like, a teenager or went to college. But, I mean I think also like growing up in Madison kind of made me think that I grew up in a big city.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And when I went to college in Oshkosh, I had like culture shock because Oshkosh was, so tiny and all of the friends I was making were from these like even tinier towns.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And so, I was like, ohhh I'm a big city girl! But then I moved to L.A. and realized that I 100 percent am not [laughs] {unclear]

LX: [laughs] [unclear]

KH: And I was so disillusioned by my surroundings growing up but, I love Madison very very much and I think it's a great city.

LX: So how different is it, cause I know that you live in West Hollywood, California, correct?

KH: Yeah

LX: So how, how…

KH: [unclear]

LX: So how different is it living there, from having lived in Madison?

KH: I mean, like it's like apples and oranges. You cannot really compare, L.A. to Madison. Everything is different you know? I mean L.A. is a melting pot, it's, it's, there are, there's no, I guess there is a stereotype version of what an L.A. person is.

LX: Yeah

KH: [unclear] Most people, are from somewhere else that have come here. Even people who are like, native to L.A.

LX: mhm

KH: Their parents probably aren't from L.A. and so like, like one thing that's sort of like why it still shocks me but, there's a ton of Australian people out here.

LX: Oh really?

KH: I mean, yeah and like I don't know why, that, shocks me cause like it makes sense like in Australia if you wanna be an actor or whatever, you wanna move up to the big time, the next spot you'd move to is L.A.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I just feel like the amount of Australian people I know out here is much larger than I ever anticipated. But, to go back to like comparing it to Madison, Madison is also kind of a mini, cultural melting pot too because of the university and all [unclear] downtown. But it's very much the Midwest, in the sense of that theirs, are you born and raised in Wisconsin?

LX: Yeah, I'm in fact, I'm actually born in Green Bay.

KH: Okay, so you're not gonna fully be able to understand this, unless you like move away.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And you have to like move away and be gone for a couple years in order to really realize [unclear] but the Midwest really does have like, a niceness to it. Like when I, when I call, when I

was still on my parent's insurance [chuckles] I'd call my doctor back in Madison but even the phone operator at the clinic was like "Oh hi how are you? And like that's not how people talk to each other in, in most of the world.

LX: Yeah.

KH: Especially bigger cities, it's just, people are just extra nice and extra talkative back home and that's not really a thing here [laughs]

LX: Yeah [laughs]

KH: People are mean, people are very nice here, it's just a different kind of nice.

LX: Yeah, so earlier you talked about how you have a brother, do you have any more siblings than just a brother or…?

KH: No I just have one older brother and just to let you know, I'm driving home right now

LX: Yeah.

KH: And my drive home I drive through a mountain.

LX: Okay.

KH: Sometimes my reception gets a little spotty...

LX: Okay.

KH: Or you might lose me and in that case I will call you right back.

LX: Okay.

KH: And if you can't hear me just, tell me.

LX: Okay, that's fine.

KH: Okay so yeah I have one older brother, he is three years older than me. His name is Justin.

LX: Okay.

KH: And he lives in Minneapolis and he's married and they have a baby girl. She's a year and a half old. And she's my niece and the love of my life. I use to be so anti­babies until I became an aunt.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And now, I love her so much. And yeah it's just me and my brother.

LX: Do you get to see them often?

KH: What was that?

LX: Do you get to see them often? Like your family since you do live in California too?

KH: Yeah, no I really don't and that's the worst part about living here.

LX: Yeah.

KH: If I, if I could I would move them all out here [chuckles]

LX: Yeah.

KH: I go home about twice a year so I went, I go home for Christmas and then I was home again in February for my mom's 60th birthday. And then I usually go home in the summertime cause there's always a wedding.

LX: Yeah.

KH: So, I'll go to a wedding cause I can only afford to fly so many times a year and then I'll make it like a long weekend and you know, get to see everybody.

LX: Mhm.

KH: But I have been trying to peer pressure [unclear] you know. When it comes down to it, L.A. is a much better place to hangout.

LX: Yeah, oh yeah definitely. I feel like there's probably a lot more things.

KH: Everyone really just needs to come check it out.

LX: Okay so, moving on with the interview, if you could tell me about the schools you attended, when you were younger.

KH: Like what, all my schools?

LX: Yeah sure.

KH: Okay. Well I went to catholic school from kindergarten to 5th grade.

LX: Okay. Did you like it?

KH: Well I mean, yeah. You know it was really all I knew. The thing about me is that you have to understand that I am such a social person.

LX: Mhm.

KH: I'm like a puppy. And I have to be around people all the time.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I have to be over stimulated otherwise I'm like bored or bad, like lonely. Like I'm such a people person. But catholic school, I mean, it was all I knew, obviously. But when I, the reason why I left after 5th grade was because since it was a catholic school there was only one class of each grade and my class had 25 kids in it and there was only eight girls including me.

LX: Oh wow.

KH: Yeah and I mean, you know, you remember being like nine or 10 years old

LX: Yeah.

KH: that's when girls start getting mean.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I'm not gonna say that I was 100 percent a victim to bullying, I'm sure I was probably awful to somebody and I don't even know it, but I also just wanted to make more friends. And the thing with catholic school is you're generally, because it's a tuition private school, I was surrounded by mainly the same kinds of kids as me like primarily white, same socio­economic status, same neighborhoods that most of us lived in. And you know, I just, was just ready to try something new and so then I transferred to the public middle school of the district that I lived in. And that was like a really rough transition for me. But I'm really glad I did it because the middle school that I went to, it was called Senate Middle School.

LX: Okay.

KH: And it was like, I mean, I don't know how it compares to other public middle schools but, it was rough. I mean there, there were never security guards at my catholic school and there were like security guards walking the hallways, and there were children that, you know, came from much rougher homes and poorer homes than me.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And so they acted out completely different than anything that I had ever imagined you could do to an adult.

LX: Yeah.

KH: Like I never swore before I went to public school. And like now I like totally like to swear. And it's all because I was surrounded by these kids who were dropping f bombs and in front of teachers and I was like, oh my god, what the heck? [laughs] But I mean I'm so glad I did it. My middle school was classrooms of all the grades mixed together, which is kind of cool because then when I went to high school, it was like, as a freshman, I knew some of the seniors. That they had at one point but in my middle homeroom class. And another thing that I discovered about myself when I went to middle school was as I became an 8th grader, there was a bunch of new 6th graders in my homeroom that were Latinas.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And a lot of them, these girls didn't speak English And I, I had enjoyed taking Spanish class in middle school and I got kind of good at it. But then when I made these friends, I got so into wanting to speak Spanish.

LX: [laughs]

KH: I was like older 8th grade, blonde friend and then [unclear]

LX: They probably loved it.

KH: Yeah, they would like braid my hair, teach me Spanish words, and I was like these are my little Mexican sisters [laughs] [unclear] they were so cute. And then when I went to high school, I feel like the transition was, would have, was much easier than if I would have stayed in that catholic school all the way to 8th grade. I feel like that would have been such a, jarring transition cause I mean, you know high school. Everyone [unclear]

LX: Yeah.

KH: But, but, I think because my middle school was such a shock. Middle school is just like same shit, new day, you know?

LX: [laughs] So…

KH: And then in high school I went to [Lafallete?] high school which is [unclear] Madison. And I was like little miss susie high school. I was in all of these clubs but mainly choir. All of the plays, all of the musicals. I was very much like the artsy kid but I was, [pause] [laughs] I had a really good G.P.A. and I worked really hard but I had this, if I get straight A's then I should be able to, you know, do whatever I want.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I definitely was a little bit of a challenging teenager for my parents.

LX: A wild child?

KH: Yeah, I mean I, I started drinking and I started smoking pot when I was 16. But in my eyes, that was okay because I was also in the National Honor Society, in class secretary, and, I was like [unclear] if I work hard, I should be allowed to play hard. I'm better than the average teenager which was like so, so narcissistic just thinking about it [laughs] I definitely got in trouble [unclear] But I also, when I was seven years old, this is definitely backtracking but, when I was seven years old, I had been begging my mom since kindergarten to put me in piano lessons. And then, she told me if I still wanted to do it by second grade then I could. So she put me in piano lessons and by fourth grade I started to get really really good. And so my parents bought me a piano and by high school, I was like really good. Like, really really good. And I wanted to go to college for it and so, you know, I was like practicing at least an hour a day on top of, you know, going to musicals after school and [unclear]

LX: Mhm.

KH: And then when it came time to look at colleges, I wanted to go to Lawrence in Appleton.

LX: Oh yeah that's a good school.

KH: They, cause they have such a beautiful little campus and it's really cool and we toured it and it just like, the price was just insane.

LX: Yeah.

KH: My parents were like, we love you but we don't love you enough to help you [unclear] school. So I was like okay, let me regroup here. How badly do you really want to be a professional piano player where you're probably gonna have to struggle for the rest of your life.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And so I decided that piano was something that I really loved as a hobby and I didn't want to, I felt like I wouldn't love it anymore if I knew I was relying on it for a career.

LX: Yeah.

KH: So then, I had taken a film class, my junior year of high school and I loved it.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And I had already loved acting and theater stuff and so I did some research and Oshkosh is the only state school in Wisconsin with a Radio TV Film program.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And so we toured the campus and I was like alright, I'm in. And that was the only college that I applied to.

LX: Did you ever tour UW Oshkosh beforehand or did you just look at it?

KH: Yeah no we toured it [unclear] happened on a snow blizzard day and...

LX: Oh god.

KH: [unclear] But I still was like well, whatever. [laughs]

LX: Yeah what was your first impression of UW Oshkosh?

KH: You know, I just remember touring college campuses and being really overwhelmed.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I remember cause I would go on tours with my brother.

LX: Oh.

KH: And I didn't even [unclear] so I already understood like how the college tour [unclear] and at the same time I was just like, I didn't understand the concept of a meal plan. I was like, wait, I have to walk, I have to go to another building to get fed? Like that was so, I think I had it to good. My mom was a good cook.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I didn't realize what I was gonna be missing out on [laughs]

LX: Were you homesick often when you finally came?

KH: I was never, no. I was never homesick. I think the greatest, okay sorry I'm in traffic and this guy in front of me is such a jackass.

LX: No you're fine.

KH: My fondest memories of my life are the first month of my freshmen year of college and the first, I would say six months of my time in L.A. And here's why, I figured out how these moments in my life parallel each other so much. I [pause] thrive in a room full of strangers. I am the best Kylie I can be when I'm in a new situation alone, excited, and surrounded by people. Because that is when I'm like, alright Kylie, put on your game face it's time to make friends.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And so one of the reasons I picked UW Oshkosh was because I didn't really, I had one friend from high school going there and it was a guy. I feel like it's different with guys than like two girlfriends.

LX: That's true.

KH: And, you know, cause like if your girlfriend's going to college with you, you could request to be roommates you know but not guys.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And I loved it. I lived in, let's see this dorm doesn't exist anymore because they made it that like, suite dorm...

LX: Oh the Horizon village?

KH: Yeah yeah, but I lived in Nelson cause there use to be three dorms right there.

LX: Three?

KH: I was in, yeah, it was Nelson, [Clemmens?], and, it started with a B, [Brees?].

LX: Oh wow, I did not know that.

KH: Yeah so it was like, you know where the corner of, oh god I've forgot everything. Elmwood and…

LX: Are you talking about in front of Reeve?

KH: Elmwood and Algoma, you know how those streets merge?

LX: Oh yeah.

KH: So the building closest to that corner was Nelson. And then, to its right was [Brees?] right along Elmwood and then in front of it, like closest to Reeve was [Clemmens?]

LX: Oh okay.

KH: It made like a little triangle building.

LX: Mhm.

KH: Anyways, I lived in Nelson and I hated my roommate. She was a psychopath.

LX: Oh gosh.

KH: When I was starting college, Myspace was a big thing. God I'm aging myself so much. How old are you?

LX: I'm going to be 20 in June [laughs].

KH: Oh my god that's crazy. It's crazy that like, so much has happened in the world since I've been in college. Nobody says Myspace anymore. Anyways my senior year of high school when I got my roommate assignment, I immediately searched this girl on Myspace. And [unclear] and her Myspace page was insane. It was like pictures of like, anime characters.

LX: Oh god. [laughs]

KH: And [unclear] and trees and like death, death and like fairies and [unclear] was all over. And…

LX: That's intimidating.

KH: Like here I am, miss sunshiny, like, let's be friends! And the only pictures she had on her Myspace page was her and drawing black eyeliner all over her face.

LX: Oh god.

KH: I tried, I mean I really tried for like a second to like this girl I really did. Even though I knew it was never going to happen, you know? And she was nuts. She never went to class, she just stayed in her room all day. She use to webcam, video webcam, with guys in jail.

LX: What?

KH: It was scary. It was like I feel like I was [unclear]

LX: That doesn't even sound like something that's real.

KH: That's like insane and dangerous. That's like, that's like I don't know if you heard in the news, there's like a headline right now about how O.J. Simpson says he wants to date Kris Jenner when he's out of jail.

LX: What?

KH: Yeah he just made a statement saying that today. I feel like, that would be what my roommate Lauren would be doing with like [unclear]

LX: Oh god.

KH: Like weirdos to be her sugar daddy.

LX: How long did you end up living with her? Was it just the first month?

KH: Okay, yeah so I lived with her for the semester. And then these two girls who lived in my dorm had a friend who [unclear] transferring to Oshkosh in the spring semester. And she got, I found an open room in the dorm [Cormen?] that's right next to [unclear]

LX: Mhm.

KH: And they let us room together and it was kind of great except for the fact that, I [laughs] I definitely had a, I say my downfall was my second semester of freshman year when I didn't go to class and I did a lot of partying.

LX: Yeah.

KH: Also that semester I joined a sorority and I joined a sorority for all the wrong reasons but I stayed for all the right reasons. I was just a little bit of a disaster but my first semester I was still a disaster but I was going to class a little more.


KH: The reason I love my first semester at Oshkosh and my first six months in L.A. [unclear] is because I just get into this mentality of like, never say no. Any opportunity that strikes itself, just say yes. The worst that could happen is that you don't like it and then you don't have to do it again, you know?

LX: Yeah.

KH: So I was hanging out with new people every weekend and I even like, I think this is very early on maybe the first week of school. I went and I got a pad of post it notes and I wrote like on hundreds of them, hi my name is Kylie I live in Nelson 301, I love to make friends, stop on by. And we went there and we put these post it notes on like every single door of every room in the entire NBC village. [Nelson, Brees?, Clemmens?]

LX: Oh really?

KH: Yeah and I had a white board on my door and, for two weeks, I was coming back from class with notes like, hey Kylie I saw your post it notes, stopped by to say hi but you weren't here I live in Brees 402. But that's legitimately how I made so friends.

LX: Yeah that's smart though.

KH: [unclear] wanna hangout this weekend? I was like, hell yeah I do. And like other people I hung out with I was like alright not hanging out with them again. [unclear]some of those people ended up becoming friends of mine. So, I had a good time.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And I like, I like the idea of trying new stuff and meeting new people and being out of your element because I think that's just the most interesting thing ever.

LX: Mhm.

KH: So it was the same when I moved to L.A. you know. It was like I didn't know anyone, I mean I knew some people but I wasn't really, I was making brand new friends and everything was really new and it was just, it was fun, it was a good time.

LX: Yeah, so you talked a little bit about how you joined a sorority but for all the wrong reasons but that is okay…

KH: Yeah [laughs]

LX: So you said that you joined your second semester so you joined informally then right?

KH: Yeah I joined in spring.

LX: Did you go through all of the informal recruitments for all the chapters or did you just go to Gamma Phi?

KH: No, no it was just Gamma Phi. I didn't even know I could go to other ones to be honest. But I had made a friend who ended up being my big sister in my dorm.

LX: Oh.

KH: Her name is [Crystal?] and she had joined that fall.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And she wasn't, cause like, ohhh I'll come check it out. But also the wrong reason I joined was because I was all about this guy who had just joined Beta in the fall.

LX: Oh okay.

KH: And he and I were sort of…

LX: A thing?

KH: Seeing each other. But then I found out that he was also into a girl who was in Gamma Phi. And I was like wait a minute, I need to meet these girls. [chuckles] If he's into these girls maybe he'll like me more. [chuckles]

LX: Oh god.

KH: That's an awful, awful reason and I do understand that now.

LX: Yeah.

KH:And I told everybody that, I was pretty upfront about that and they were like well we still like you and I was like oh cool I like you guys too, okay let's hangout.

LX: Yeah.

KH: [laughs] Probably not something I shoulda…

LX: No that's okay.

KH: [unclear] Say in an interview but who cares.

LX: Did you still talk to him after or how did that all play out for you?

KH: He ended up becoming one of my closest friends all throughout college.

LX: Oh really?

KH: Yeah.

LX: Oh that's nice.

KH: We haven't really, we kind of lost touch towards senior year but most of college he and I were very close, I'd say freshman and sophomore year.

LX: Yeah, so what was, what's probably one of your favorite memory of Greek life?

KH: Oh boy.

LX: If you could narrow it them all the way down to one. What would be your favorite?

KH: Alright, that, you know what, I'm just gonna say socials. You know [laughs] those were the craziest times. I could honestly, I'm gonna be honest I did a lot of drinking in college and so it's a lot harder to remember things than I thought it would be. [laughs]

LX: Yeah.

KH: But I considered myself a happy active member which means I didn't really take on the responsibility and I didn't want to because I was way more involved in my major. But I loved being a part of it. So the biggest position I had was new member educator.

LX: Yeah, when did you take on that position?

KH: My junior year.

LX: Okay, did you like it?

KH: Yeah it was okay but honestly I was glad it was over with cause I was like, okay I need to divert my attention back to where I care most [unclear]

LX: Yeah.

KH: It was fun, I mean, cause with [unclear] I don't know, you're a Tri Sig right?

LX: Yeah.

KH: Okay, with Gamma Phi, new member ed is the one that runs initiation and that was really fun. Oh I guess my favorite memory, this is really generic but, I lived in the sorority house my junior year.

LX: Oh I'm living there next year. In my sorority house.

KH: Okay, you know what's funny is I've never been in your house.

LX: Oh really?

KH: Even though I went by it all the time. Yeah. I've never been in any of the sorority houses. I didn't care about other Greeks and I really didn't care about anybody.

LX: Well we, okay so the house I'm assuming that you're thinking of we just decided to not live there anymore as of last year and we're actually, we just, I'm gonna be living in our new house. And it's actually the old Sigma house that's right next to the catholic, the Newman Center. There we go, the Newman Center.

KH: Oh, wait so there use to be a Tri Sig house next to the Newman Center and they moved to that house on the corner.

LX: Yeah on Church and Union. Yeah.

KH: That's the one I'm thinking of. Okay I didn't know that there was an old Tri Sig house, how interesting.

LX: I didn't know either until last year which was, I mean, I'm excited and, it'll be cool. So…

KH: Yeah, you're starting a new legacy that's very exciting.

LX: Yeah, so…

KH: I think, you know, living in a sorority house, I think was the best, the best thing for me because you're surround, you're in the environment, you know, if you need to come to a meeting you're already there, there's no excuse for missing out on stuff. And you're surrounded by the right people and I think that rings so true to the rest of life.

LX: Yeah.

KH: You know, a lot of your success is based on who you surround yourself with and…

LX: That's true.

KH: And when you're living in the sorority house, and, you know, assuming that you're in the right sorority. You're surrounded by people who are supportive and positively serving your life. And it just, my grades did better when I was in the house, I was happier, I was social, I mean it was, it was a great choice. I loved it. I loved being able to just wake up, open my bedroom door and there were friends there to hang out with, you know? It was the best.

LX: Was there ever any tension living in the Gamma Phi house with all of your sisters?

KH: Yeah, I mean, there were definitely people that would argue but that's just life that's just normal. I've never had a roommate situation where people didn't argue. And I had a sorority sister who borrowed a sister's car and then she crashed it. Like that was a disaster.

LX: That sounds terrible.

KH: [unclear] life.

LX: Yeah, oh god.

KH: Yeah, but that's life, you know. Have you been in the Gamma Phi house?

LX: Yes I did during, when I was going through formal recruitment for the house tours.

KH: Oh you did formal?

LX: Mhm.

KH: Okay cool. So yes, you know it's two apartments, all one house.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And I lived on the first floor and so the girls you shared the floor with you obviously see more than the ones upstairs.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And you know, there were, I didn't care for every single girl in the house like I definitely had favorites.

LX: Yeah.

KH: But I also still liked everybody, I mean, it's just, I wouldn't if I got to pick who lived on that floor it wouldn't have always been necessarily that exact group of people but like I don't know I just, I had so many good, great memories. Me and my roommates in the house on a Friday night being like you know what let's all put on our pjs and then have a weird dance party and make a weird video and then go to Culver's. You know, just doing weird stuff together. Because that's the best parts of college.

LX: Mhm. So could you say then that you were able to get a lot out of Greek life?

KH: Oh totally, I mean, you know it's funny I recently just met somebody who was a Gamma Phi Beta and when I moved to L.A. I, I helped form slash join an L.A. alumnae chapter for any Gamma Phi's in L.A.

LX: Aww that's sweet.

KH: And my closest friend out here, she's a Gamma Phi.

LX: Are you active with the alumnae chapter?

KH: I mean, yeah. We get together twice a year but, that's fine. People that I wanna see, I'll hang out with, you know?

LX​ :Mhm. Okay, so I know you were in Greek life but I also know you were in other organizations and stuff like that on campus too. Did you do a lot of things that your RTF clubs like you were in the National Broadcasting Society and all that stuff, did you do a lot of that stuff too?

KH: Yeah, oh my god. I mean my, when I was in college, my mentality was sort of, immerse yourself in, in everything and it will benefit you later on down the line.

LX: Yeah.

KH: So most of my time was dedicated to the RTF program. Of the clubs, NBS which is National Broadcasting Society that was mainly referred to as the ATF telethon.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And I helped out with it every year and then like I said before, I produced it my senior year and that was…

LX: Yeah, what is the ATF telethon?

KH: It stands for [Ataxia Filangacasia?] and it is a very rare but unfortunate genetic disease that's born in, I mean it's one in some million people.

LX: Mhm.

KH: Most people don't live past the age of 25 with it.

LX: Aww that's really unfortunate.

KH: I mean this is probably the wrong way to explain it but I see it as a Benjamin Button type thing. Not like you start to look old but your immune system weakens very rapidly and, say at three years old that baby could walk but then by six years old walking might be harder for them.

LX: Aww that's really sad.

KH: Yeah and their immune systems because their weakened, a lot of them are prone to get cancer or you know, they aren't able to speak once they become teenagers or speaking becomes much harder. Their wheelchair bound usually by teenage years. I mean it's just really awful.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And coincidentally, the whole reason the RTF program made that a tradition to have the telethon every year was because an RTF alumni named Deb [Carr?] and her husband Brad [Carr?] who lives up here in L.A., who I'm good friends with now.

LX: Oh, that's cool.

KH: She, Deb, was doing Titan TV news and she did a news story on a woman named Sheila [unclear] who lived in Appleton and had two children who both had AT and coincidentally, Sheila, both of her kids are still alive and their in their late 20's which is awesome.

LX: Yeah that is awesome.

KH: Yeah but so then Deb was in [unclear] and they decided to try and do this live telethon type thing and it sort of just blew up and it's like, for 10 years it was an annual thing in the RTF department and it would be a six hour long telethon. And you know, it would be live broadcast and the whole Fox Valley…

LX: Yeah how did you land, how were you able to be the executive director for that? How did that come about?

KH: Well, it was sort of like a, nobody else wanted to do it kind of a thing. It's a lot of work and also I was just really into it I had helped it every year and so it kind of just made sense that I produced it. I was the one that knew the most, I had been there the longest, and I rallied the troops and I was like, let's do this. [laughs] And it was really hard but it was really awesome.

LX: Yeah.

KH: We raised five grand.

LX: Five grand?

KH: I think so yeah.

LX: Oh wow.

KH: It was either four hours or six hours I can't remember which…

LX: I think you told me it was six hours.

KH: [unclear]

LX: Yeah.

KH: Yeah I don't really remember I blocked it all out.

LX: Yeah, well that's fine.

KH: So I mean I still [unclear] I also spent a lot of time just making tv shows for Titan TV cause that was, that was the fun part, you know? It was like, hey if you have a creative idea, you could find somebody who wants to work on it with you and then you could just make a tv show like for school. It was crazy, you know, have all this equipment at your fingertips, you might as well just go play.

LX: So…

KH: So all my weekends were spent filming short films.

LX: Oh okay.

KH: Working on it at Titan TV show and it was just awesome.

LX: Yeah that is really cool.

KH: Mhm.

LX: So what else did you do in college for fun?

KH: I mean, you know, between Gamma Phi and being an RTF student which is 100 percent all about what you do outside of the classroom.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And then, being a regular at ladies night at French's and Kelly's and Molly's, that was pretty much it. [laughs] We did volunteering stuff but obviously, those are not memories that are sticking out of my brain.

LX: Yeah, how were you able to balance being in all of these things and still being able to stay on top?

KH: My grades weren't that great in college. I think my cumulative was a 3.1, I could have done better.

LX: That's still pretty good though.

KH: Right, I will tell you this though, have you ever heard of the Page program on NBC?

LX: The Page program?

KH: Yeah like have you ever seen the show 30 Rock?

LX: 30 Rock? I have not, but I've heard about it and seen a lot of commercials for it.

KH: Okay, well anyways the Page program is this very prestigious job that's kinda treated like an internship but it's paid with NBC at 30 Rock in New York City. And Walter [Cronkite?] was a page, [Reeda Filman?] has been a Page, there's all these very well­known people in the television industry who started out as Page. It's a good way to get your foot in the door and then if you're a good page, you'll get hired on with somewhere within the company.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I, really wanted to be a Page and my cumulative G.P.A. was .01…

LX: Oh goodness.

KH: Below [unclear] what they require therefore I didn't get it. So I'm still a little salty.

LX: Aw that really sucks.

KH: Yeah because I had an in you know how I drove the Wienermobile, and there was a girl who drove the Wienermobile the year before me who was a page and she got me the hookup like I made it all the way through all the interviews to be a page and they loved me and they're like great we just need to see your transcript. And then I sent them and then it was like oh… this is uncomfortable. And I was like are you kidding me? Like I'm perfect for this, it doesn't matter if my grades were .01.

LX: Yeah.

KH: You know but that's a technicality. So.

​LX: Yeah.

KH: Anyways, do good in school. Yeah I mean I definitely, like balancing is really hard. I remember calling my mom and crying all the time and she would just be like I don't feel bad for you, you signed up for all of this.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And I would get my shit together and do it. But.

LX: Mhm. Did you have a job while you were in college too?

KH: Yeah so I forgot about all that. I had a lot of different jobs. I waitressed in Madison sometime, usually in the summers. And then I was a, I don't remember what you call it, a do they still call it a phone athon? Have you heard of that?

LX: A phone athon?

KH: Yeah, it's like at the, the foundation house or whatever? Oh my god, what's the dorm called that starts with a D?

LX: A dorm? Are you thinking of Dempsey Hall?

KH: No not a hall.

LX: We have North Sc…

KH: What's the dorm that's right next to Taylor?

LX: Next to Taylor… I think, I think I'm trying to think of all the dorms. There's Evans, Stewart, Fletcher, oh Donner! There we go, Donner. [laughs]

KH: Donner yes, dirty Donner we called it. So next to Donner there's this old house, I think it's called the foundation house or something, and they hired students to call alumni and ask them for money.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And so, I did that my freshman year and that was hilarious. It was such a weird job. And then, what else did I do? I, oh I worked at Eastbay. It was the biggest job. I was their Spanish translator for their customer service department.

LX: Oh you were?

KH: Which is absurd because I was not good enough at Spanish to be doing that job but they gave me a little test on speaking Spanish and I passed it.

LX: Oh wow.

KH: And so I was making an extra $2.50 an hour more than everybody else so I was like [unclear] barely struggling with the language. [laughs] I need the money.

LX: So.

KH: Oh well. That's what they get for being a crappy company I guess [laughs].

LX: Yeah. Oh gosh, how long did you work there?

KH: I think two years?

LX: Oh wow. So as you were reflecting on your experience, and stuff like that at the university, what can you say that you've learned from your experience at UWO?

KH: [pauses] Well, well, I mean that's just such a loaded question. I mean so much, I mean college in general it's just a time when you have to become an adult. You know, whether you like it or not, nobody is gonna take care of you. You have to take care of yourself. You need to learn that deadlines are deadlines and that you know, sometimes, your way isn't the best way. And, even if you don't like something, you still have to do it. And also that, I feel like college is a really good place to find your people and, and, figure out what kind of person you wanna be. And, and work really hard to make the right relationships and the right choices so that, you can go out into the real world and become that person.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And also, everybody is an equal. I remember having a moment like that where my professors were talking to me kind of like, I was on the same page as them and not as an authoritarian, I am your teacher and I remember thinking, oh they want my creative input this is cool.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And, I loved it. I loved college. I miss it.

LX: I agreed. I also love college too.

KH: Good, never leave.

LX: Yeah, so were you sad then when college was over for you?

KH: No, I couldn't wait to leave. [laughs] I, I'm one of those people who that, I very much once I've done something I'm over it onto next. And yeah, here's the thing my senior year, during winter break, I got an internship at L.A. I operated on the tv show Wipeout.

LX: [gasps] You did?

KH: Ah uh.

LX: That's awesome I love that show.

KH: Yeah well you know RTF, there's an RTF alumni from Oshkosh who created that show.

LX: Oh really?

KH: Yeah.

LX: Oh wow I did not know that.

KH: He's like the godfather of UWO while I was here out in L.A. He brings all the little RTF [unclear] internships and if they move out here, if he likes you, he'll hire you.

LX: Yeah.

KH: So I interned there during winter break and I got a boyfriend who was working on the show.

LX: Oh so that's how you got your boyfriend?

KH: That's a different boyfriend than my current one.

LX: Oh [laughs].

KH: No longer with that boyfriend.

LX: Yeah.

KH: But at the time, he was the bee's knees because he was older than me, and was working on a tv show, and living in Hollywood and I was one semester away from leaving Oshkosh and I could not wait. So I really [unclear] my senior year. And I had this, my last semester was all gen eds which was awful. Don't ever do that to yourself. And I had this [unclear] I just totally sucked ass, excuse my language. And that's honestly what screwed up my cumulative G.P.A. Was not trying harder in that class.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I guess I know the root of the problem why [unclear] But, you know I was just, I got a taste of the L.A. life and the Hollywood and I was so hungry to go out in the world and start my career asap but all I wanted to do was be in L.A. right away. And so I was like flying out on weekends to visit him and spent my spring break out here.

LX: Mhm.

KH: And I just could, graduation could not come [unclear] But then, I got the Weinermobile job and after that…

LX: Yeah so how did you get that job?

KH: I applied online.

LX: It was that easy?

KH: [unclear] and I got it.

LX: Oh wow.

KH: I mean it's that easy to apply but it's not that easy to get it.

LX: Yeah how did you get it?

KH: They recruit, so there are six Weinermobile vehicles in the country. Oscar Meyers is headquartered in Madison so I grew up seeing the Weinermobile a fairly decent amount.

LX: Oh I did not know that.

KH: Yeah and I remember in high school when I was filling out applications to get a scholarship and my mom suggested that for the question where it says, where do you see yourself in five years, she said, she had always told me about the Weinermobile job and I was like okay whatever mom. And then she was like why don't you say you see yourself in five years driving the Weinermobile cause that stands out and that's really unique.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And so I put that on all my scholarship applications and I got one. And then [unclear] college my mom was like why don't, you really should look into that. So I just, I don't know. I just did a little research on the gig and I found out you can just apply online so I did. And then I got an interview which is rare but they told me that my resume was interesting because usually the people that apply for that job are business majors or PR or marketing majors and I was a film major so I had a network tv show on my resume when I was only 21 years old. That was different. So I got the interview but normally what they do is, they recruit at the top PR and marketing universities in the country so like UW Madison, Penn State, University of Florida, [unclear]. And then what they do is fly in 30 applicants who have made it past the phone interviews, and then they fly everybody into Madison. And they do this two day long interview process where they put you up in a hotel, they have you do a group dinner, and then the next day is all interviews and it was awesome. I mean I loved it, I thought it was so funny. You know there were all these kids who showed up with portfolios and shit [unclear] portfolios? What? I was so, I was definitely perfect for it personality wise.

LX: Yeah.

KH: Cause I was, I was just like you know I get to drive a hot dog [unclear] and you know I think they look for people who are outgoing and loyal and trustworthy and not afraid to talk to strangers and can get anybody excited about anything. I mean, they're looking for somebody who can make somebody excited about hot dogs, the products they're selling. And then, yeah so they usually get about 1,500 applicants a year and they only hire 12. And so I was one of the twelve. And it was awesome.

LX: So how long did you stay driving the Oscar Meyer car?

KH: So, it's a Wienermobile.

LX: Oh Weinermobile sorry.

KH: You sign a contract for exactly one calendar year. You cannot make it any shorter or any longer.

LX: Oh okay.

KH: So June the first is the start of your contract. Then they put you in a region of the country with one other co­driver. And that is your region for the first six months. And then the second six months, you get another region and other partner. So my first, my first region was the Northeast and my partner was a guy and he is my best friend his name is [Dylan?] and I love him very much. And then my second region was the Southwest and my partner was a girl, her name is [Adele?] and she is also my best friend and my sister and I love her very much.

LX: Aww.

KH: And also while I was on the road, my boyfriend who I had in L.A. him and I broke up and I was very sad about it. I had really really good people with me to explore the country with me and not care.

LX: Yeah. So did you just drive around then or was there anything specific that you had to do with driving it?

KH: We had a schedule that we didn't make. Our bosses back at the Madison headquarters would make our schedules about two weeks in advance. Usually we were in a new city every week. For that region so like they would send us to Pittsburg for a week and then be like alright we need you to stick around in New York and then we'd go there for a weekend. And while you're in a city for that week, you're scheduled out everyday. So we would usually, just go to Walmart or a grocery store parking lot then we were suppose to stand there for like six hours and hand out coupons, take pictures of people in front of the Weinermobile.

LX: Oh that sounds really easy.

KH: Yeah I mean it was definitely trying because there's a lot of wackos in the world but anybody who can talk could technically do it. But it was so much more, because of like, on top of standing out there and trying to get people excited about the Weinermobile, we also had a quota of media [unclear] every week. So we had to generate press releases, call up TV stations and radio stations, and drum up excitement to get the press to come to our events. They were putting up the word that we were in town. And then we would have to do interviews, lots of stuff. It was really [unclear]

LX: Yeah that really does sound like a fun job to have.

KH: Yeah and actually, there's a current UW Oshkosh student who graduates in two weeks. Who just got hired to be a hot dogger. So she is the second UWO alumni to be a hot dogger. [Liz Duffy?]

LX: Liz what?

KH: [Duffy?]

LX: Liz [Duffy?] Oh.

KH: Yeah.

LX: I'll have to look her up.

KH: She's in like... Oh Lizzie I'm sorry Lizzie.

LX: Oh Lizzie.

KH: She is in PRSSA and I think she was a, oh god I forgot what you call it... The people who live in the dorm.

LX: She was a CA?

KH: A CA yeah I was gonna say RA. She's a CA. And I think she did a lot with that, group.

LX: Gotcha. That's cool. So what did you do after you were done with the Oscar Meyer Weiner driving mobile?

KH: Well then I've always wanted to go to South America and I never did a study abroad so I had a little Eat, Pray, Love moment and I went to Chile by myself.

LX: Oh that's awesome.

KH: Yeah I had a friend from when I was living [unclear] crush on him but he was working. I did a lot of roaming around the streets of Santiago. It felt kind of weird.

LX: Yeah how did you met your friend in Chile?

KH: Oh I mean he went to Oshkosh.

LX: Ohh.

KH: He had an internship down there and was living down there. But I also had a pen pal in Chile. And she's Chilean and I met her because when I was in Spanish class my sophomore year with this friend, Josh, he and I found this website called My Happy Planet, where you can talk with people in other languages who wanna learn your language. And so her name was [Fernanda?] and we ended becoming friends skyping, and sending each other letters and [unclear] when I went to Chile, I got to meet her and hangout with her. And coincidentally she has a brother who studied abroad in America last year so he came out for a week to hang out with me.

LX: Oh that's sweet. So while you were in South America then, what did you all get to do while you were there?

KH: Well I went there the wrong time of the year cause in America's summertime, it is South America's wintertime. I went in June when it was cold and rainy and I just you know, I site saw, I mean there's a lot of really cool colonial architecture and very old old things that we don't have in America cause America is so young.

LX: Yeah, did you like the food there?

KH: Actually no. Chileans have the worst palettes ever. It's just bread and meat and potatoes.

LX: Oh really?

KH: There's no flavor.

LX: Oh that sounds unfortunate.

KH: Chileans are like Germans. It's just meat and potatoes.

LX: That sounds really boring. I thought that maybe they would have had a better variety.

KH: It's like a Midwestern meal wrapped in an empanada.

LX: Oh okay. Still sounds not as great.

KH: I mean, it was different. I mean I had fun I've always really wanted to go.

LX: Did you just stay there for the summer?

KH: No I was only there like three weeks.

LX: Oh.

KH: Cause I so badly just wanted to get to L.A. like so badly. But I went there for three weeks. Hangout. We spent a weekend on the coast which was my favorite part. And then, I came back to Wisconsin, lived with my parents for like a week. Bought a car, and then packed up my stuff, bought my best friend, and we did a road trip across the US and slowly made my way to L.A. and she flew back to Madison. And then I hunkered down and got a job within a week and the rest is history.

LX: Oh wow.

KH: Yeah that one kind of happened a lot quicker than I thought.

LX: Yeah. What was your first job back in L.A.?

KH: My first job is my current job which is, I guess I've moved up the ranking but I started out as a PA so production assistant for a production company called Pie Town Productions.

LX: Okay.

KH: And they make a lotta HG TV shows. I'm sure you've heard of House Hunters.

LX: Yes I have.

KH: They make House Hunters, they make a show called Flip or Flop and that's the show I currently work on and I'm a story producer and they, when I was a PA, it was kind of like being an assistant to the executive, getting them lunch and being frightened every time you talked up their lunch.

LX: That's very clich� [laughs].

KH: Yeah it was frightening. Being a PA is just, frightening all the time. And then, they liked me and Flip or Flop needed a PA so they made me a PA on the show Flip or Flop.

LX: Oh that's awesome.

KH: Flip or Flop kept getting renewed for seasons so I totally worked my way up being a story producer and now I write the show.

LX: Yeah, so what do you do as story producer? Like what does your job entail?

KH: So, my show's a reality show but we shoot it like a documentary. So, we have all of the footage. And I have to take all the footage and figure out how to make it a feasible story that can be told in 23 minutes. So I very roughly edit it down to a tellable story.

LX: Oh gosh.

KH: I have to drop it off to the editor to refine it.

LX: Oh okay. So you're not directing it or anything right?

KH: Yeah I mean I did, I use to be in the field on set filming when I was in the lower ranking and I would help the director so I was kind of like his right hand man, at one point.

LX: That's sweet.

KH: The thing is this is such a small crew show, like everybody kind of helps create it which is cool and awful, all at once.

LX: Why do you say awful?

KH: I just, I'm gonna be really honest with you. I hate the TV industry. I hated it for a while but I only hated it in a sense that I hate reality TV.

LX: Oh okay. Why do you hate reality TV?

KH: Because it's just making stupid people famous and I think that's wrong and [unclear]with my own TV show. The people on my TV show are monsters and I can't wait for their show to get cancelled because I think they're awful human beings.

LX: Oh gosh.

KH: [unclear] what's now being said, I also love the TV industry because I'm a creative person and I love to create. And, I'm also a freelance tv host so obviously I wanna keep making tv I just wanna be the one in front of the camera and creatively making revisions from behind the scene as well. So what I'm saying is I wanna be able to eat my cake [unclear] can eat my cake too. There's never gonna be an industry that people don't have something to criticize about it [unclear] industry is just, there's just you know, good and bad parts in that [unclear] industry but I think with the entertainment industry, you have to have a very thick skin because the bad things can be really really awful things, that sometimes you don't even wanna tell your mom about. And that's just, you know, unfortunate but that's entertainment industry.

LX: Yeah, well that makes sense too. So.

KH: A lotta money and a lotta people in it.

LX: Yeah so you said you had another job, what do you exactly do for that too?

KH: Well that's when I do TV hosting. So.

LX: Who, I just have to ask, who is your favorite person, that you've got to interview? Because I definitely did look you up and I saw some pretty cool people that you got to interview so who do you think...

KH: Who did you, who did you think was cool?

LX: I'm really bad with remembering names to be honest with you but if I could show you some pictures I could show you.

KH: [laughs] Easily hands down Giuliana Rancic. You would not have seen that interview because it's not up yet. It won't be up till this summer.

LX: Oh.

KH: But I have admired her for a very long time. She is a class act and everything about my interaction with her was a dream. She is a real professional. She was so kind. Her husband Bill was so kind. I got to play with Duke, Duke was the cutest thing ever. And it was just nice to be around people who were appreciative of me interviewing them cause some people are just not very nice to the press.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And they were, they were, you know, they know how to be engaging and interesting and answer questions well. And they know how to give you a good, a good [unclear] And they were very sweet. It was like a dream come true to interview Giuliana so.

LX: Well when are you going to be posting that interview up? I would love to watch it.

KH: I'm not allowed to until June because I was interviewing them backstage for celebrity Family Feud.

LX: Oh okay.

KH: That isn't supposed to air until the summer so it's supposed to be a secret that they shot it.

LX: Oh.

KH: They aren't supposed to post it til closer, time to advertise the airing.

LX: Yeah, well that's really cool.

KH: Yeah it was awesome.

LX: So, you also told me that you were a food blogger too. Does that mean, does that mean you do a lot of cooking at home too?

KH: Yup.

LX: Or do you just like to go out and try new restaurants?

KH: When I drove the Wienermobile I became a foodie for sure. Changing studies every week meant you gotta find ways to make it interesting and our thing was trying to find the best food and beer in every city.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I became a big foodie but then when I moved out here, I get really into healthy lifestyle.

LX: Oh okay.

KH:I'm a really clean eater I eat primarily paleo but I also, I get a little hippy dippy with eating I really, just love to cook and I love finding new produce and trying to play with it and figure out what to do with it. And so I just really like reading food blogs and trying out new recipes and I create content on my YouTube channel for it. I, I have my blog but there's also a new app that just launched a month ago called Nom and so I've been, it's like [terriscope?] where you live broadcast so I've been live broadcasting basically every single day whenever I cook.

LX: Yeah.

KH: I'm just trying to build a following [unclear] so that's kind of where my energy goes into these days.

LX: Yeah. So what is your favorite recipe that you were able to find?

KH: This is a really simple recipe, but it's one of my favorites because it's just simple and easy and my boyfriend loves it and I love it. It is an oven, quote on quote, fried crispy chicken and it's grain free so the chicken is dredged in coconut flour instead of refined flour.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And then I cover them in mashed up sweet potato chips and bake it and it's better than KFC. It's like crack.

LX: Oh that sounds really good.

KH: Yeah, and then I make a garlic mashed cauliflower, a little bit of parsley.

LX: Mmmm.

KH: And I really love brussel sprouts because my mom never fed me them. So I never ate them until I was an adult which I just think they are the best effing vegetable ever. They're so good.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And you can never go out, I recently just made a crock pot carnitas recipe that's just, it was like a spiritual moment [unclear] I was like okay, maybe I'll go back to church after trying something so good. And I'm, I have, I would say my guacamole recipe is like [pause] game changer.

LX: Do you have them posted on your YouTube account?

KH: My blog, yeah.

LX: Oh okay. Well maybe I will have to check that out as well. Cause I also like…

KH: [unclear] guacamole is world famous. It's pretty good.

LX: Yeah, so as I'm wrapping up our interview, what is your advice that you would give to current students now?

KH: You know, I would say, when I was in school, I was always just trying to get an assignment over with. I, I just, hurry up get something over with I just wanna sleep or I just wanna go to ladies night. I just wanna watch TV. But, but really really really make the most of your time at UW Oshkosh because you don't realize, all the resources and the materials that you have access to now, that you're not gonna be able to have access to as an adult and especially, especially, take that into account when it comes into getting an internship, that is huge. Do as many internships as you can. Because especially in the tv industry, where people would be more than happy to hire you for free if you're getting college credit and then that's a fantastic way to make relationships with people who will hire you after college. But if you graduated college with a film degree and you don't have any internships or any relationships in your back pocket, it would be really hard to get a job and, no one's gonna let you intern for them because you can't get college credit for it and so it's just gonna be harder to build relationships so I mean, internships, even if it's a crappy internship, which I had. You will learn, that it was crappy. And you'll understand why it was crappy and be like thank god I never wanna work there. I interned for the Madison PW Affiliate and it was awful like that TV station I don't understand how they're still in business. It's being run by a bunch of morons and I never would have learned that, I would have probably tried to get a job with them if I didn't know any better. I gave myself a lot of effort by interning with them.

LX: Yeah. And I also wanted to ask as well, what advice would you like to give to people who are in Greek life and people who are in the RTF program as well?

KH: I'm just gonna wamp that up with everybody. That's, that's everybody's advice. You know, I mean as a Greek, I feel like I'm not, eligible to speak, to Greek life cause I didn't really, I was a happy active. You know I paid my dues, I showed up but I didn't make the most of it. Maybe, make the most of your Greek life time and also I think another thing that I remember was that everything felt like such a big freaking deal. There was always some problem going on with Panhellenic.

LX: That's very true.

KH: Or god knows what but didn't ever wanna hear about it. It was a load of horse shit. The world is much bigger than your stupid, [pauses] I'm giving the worst interview right now [laughs] The world is much bigger than small issues so think of the big picture.

LX: Yeah.

KH: And the RTF program, I cannot emphasize enough, that, your career, outside of the radio TV film department will rely heavily on what you did outside of the classroom. Nobody out here is gonna look at your resume and be like oh I'm so glad you got an A in race class and gender in television, they're not. But they are gonna look at your resume and be like, oh you shot a short film that made it into three festivals? Oh interesting, you know? So really push yourself and get creative and think outside of the box and just try as many new things as you possibly can. That's my advice.

LX: Alright, well Kylie, I'd just like to thank you very much for giving me your time and allowing me to help you revisit your past and your old college days.

KH: Yeah.

LX: So since this is over the phone like I had said earlier, I'll just be emailing you the Deed of Gift for you when I get back to my room. And then you can just, like I said before, you can fax it to me or send a picture of it signed or however you wanna do it that would be fine too. And then I also wanted to ask you, did you also want a copy of this interview?

KH: Sure.

LX: Cause if you do I can…

KH: Yeah.

LX: Okay perfect. Cause if you do I can send it within the next week. So whenever you'd like it too.

KH: I mean yeah. Send it whenever.

LX: Okay! And then I have a little request too, you don't have to but if you'd like to send me pictures of when you were in college or even with being a part of your internship or anything like that too, that would be really awesome as well. But I mean you don't have to.

KH: Okay.

LX: But that would be really cool to be able to have them.

KH: When do you need them by?

LX: I'm going to need them probably by next week? Or maybe like a week after that?

KH: Oh okay.

LX: Would work. So I mean whenever you can but if you can't that's fine as well.

KH: Okay sounds good.

LX: Okay. Well yeah, thank you very much again.

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