Interview with Mike Elter, 04/19/2018

UW Oshkosh Campus Stories
Landen Gruber, Interviewer | uwocs_Mike_Elter_04192018_uc.mp3
Campus Stories Oral History Project (UWO Audio Series 51) |


´╗┐LG: So, we should be all set here.

ME: Good

LG: Today is April 19, it is 5:17 and my name is Landen Gruber and I will be interviewing Mike Elter. So let's start with just a little bit about yourself Mike. Where were you born? Where did you grow up

ME: I was born in Milwaukee and my dad was a career navy man so when he had shore duty we would move to where he was and when he had sea duty we would move back to Milwaukee. That were my mom and were from. And he retired to northern Wisconsin to a town called Crandon.

LG: Ok, ok. Where did your mom, well I suppose your mom probably with moving a round a lot probably really didn't have a steady job or what did she do?

ME: Yeah, she was kind of a secretarial clerical, type person so she did have 1:00much problem finding work.

LG: Did you have any siblings or anything like that, that moved with you?

ME: No, no. I had three half siblings but they grew up seperate.

LG: Alright, so obviously you moved around a lot so I'm guessing schooling at a younger age was kinda of difficult but describe how was, how did you grow up with your schooling?

ME: It was a little bit of a challenge at first, when you first get to a different place. But it was also an adventure of sorts. Probably the, well when we were back in Milwaukee I also went to the same school there.


LG: Right

ME: But one of the biggest challenges would be coming from a school where the curriculum was either, usually behind or especially behind. Lets say for just an off the wall example in third grade school A is doing long division and over here in third grade you know they are just starting multiplication tables or something like that.

LG: Oh, I see.

ME: So there was a couple times I found myself way behind the curve, but it wasn't as unmanageable during grade school. And luckily my dad retired after my freshman year of high school so I only had to do it one more time.

LG: Right, so would you say your family put a large emphasis on your schooling or was it really up to you to keep track of all that.


ME: I took care of it mainly. You know once I got to like junior high.

LG: Alright, Alright. So i guess your neighborhood in Milwaukee what was that like when you were there growing up?

ME: it was kind of on the north edge of what was becoming a troubled area.


ME: During the riots of 1968, I think it was, '67 or '68 we were playing out in the yard me and some friends and we saw a grocery store two blocks away get firebombed.

LG: Wow.

ME: So, yeah it was just right on that edge of where there were some problems but not bunch. Now I don't think I'd go in there with police escort.

LG: Alright so what was really your routine then while you were a child. Any 4:00specific hobbies or activities or places that you spent a lot of time at?

ME: The thing with hobbies and such, i was always involved with cub scouts or boy scouts.

LG: Right

ME: As far as other hobbies they would change if i migrated to a different area making a couple of friends and get involved in something that they were into. So that was a constant change too, which back then not necessarily a bad thing. It was a good thing in respect that it opened my eyes to a lot of different things. Where as most of my friends in Milwaukee were into sports. Yeah i can't think of a single person that was into collecting bugs lets same. But I lived in Rhode 5:00Island and had a friend that we'd hike down to the seashore and you know pick up clams and stuff. Just go right in and grab it. It was a very diverse bunch of hobbies if you will.

LG: Alright, alright. So I guess did anything from your youth, did you always wanna go into journalism or was that kind of just more of a college decision?

ME: Actually I never had any notions of going to college.

LG: Oh really?

ME: I will be quite frank with you, you know I goofed around in school.

LG Oh, ok well yeah.

ME:I didn't take it seriously, yeah I learned the material, ok I can take the test, regurgitate it but in was pretty much goofing off all the time. When I got 6:00out of high school I went into the service, got out and and I started working, I'm sorry.

LG: Oh not to interrupt you, keep going I can ask you later.

ME: OK, and I was a truck driver and I hurt my back so I couldn't do that anymore. Ok I gotta go to school and learn how to do something else. I put my thinking cap on and I thought well i've always liked history so I could major in history but unless I got a teaching certificate to go with it. I would be sellings used cars or life insurance. Then i thought of it in different terms that I could know everything there was about history but if i didn't have the 7:00means to communicate it then the knowledge did me little good. On the other hand if I could master communications, I can always find references to look up details of geography let's say and then communicate them. So that was my lines of thinking.

LG: Well yeah that sounds like a great way to go after it. What I was going to ask you was what you did in the service? What branch or anything like that?

ME: I was in the Navy, I was a hospital corpsman stationed with marines.

LG: Very good, very good. So how long were you a truck driver?

ME: Oh about 7 years

LG: Alright, alright. So you were more of a nontraditional student where you really didn't get to college until much later.

ME: Yeah, yeah I was 27 when I started at Oshkosh.


LG: Very interesting. So more about your personal life. Have you since married or kids or anything like that?

ME: Ok when I was a truck driver I got married and when I was going to school my wife at that time decided she was going to go to school too and get a bachelor in nursing, she was already an LPN. And when she graduated she joined the Navy nurse corps and so the lifestyle started all over again.

LG: Wow

ME: It was a lot as an adult and I realized some of the peculiar little nuances 9:00that my parents that my parents had discussed that at that time I hadn't understood. But you know it felt survivable so.

LG: So i guess when you decided you wanted to go back and get a degree, how did you end up choosing Oshkosh?

ME: The vocational and rehabilitation program the state has was the one that was going to help fund it.


ME: I looked just at kind of a this is all the majors you can take and I went through them and well let me see, I lived in Appleton at the time, which campus is the closest. Oshkosh, oh they even have journalism, yeah I could do that, it 10:00made sense so that's how I picked Oshkosh. Plus I had a couple of friends from High school that went there, So I was loosely familiar with it.

LG: So you had some kind of an idea what was Oshkosh was. What was really your impression of it i guess from your friends?

ME: Oh it was a great place to be on St. Patrick's Day.

LG: haha yeah yeah

ME: Which is different, wait. When I was going to school it was different than it was when they were going to school. Because when I'd go down and visit them, St. Patrick's day fell before spring break.

LG: Mmhmm

ME: And then the school judicially rearranged spring break to thin the herd out if you will for St. Pat's. To them they were a fraternity and I got to meet these guys and all that. But I don't know, I'd go down there sometimes for a 11:00week at a time and just hang out and enjoy it. It was a pretty cool place to be.

LG: Alright, alright. So obviously you said you were living in Appleton while you were going to school in Oshkosh or did you actually move to Oshkosh?

ME: No I commuted.

LG: Ok, ok. So what were really your first couple class like that you had at the university?

ME: English 101 and a class that I believe was called how to study in college.

LG: Well that would be very helpful

ME: It was absolutely a bomb. I didn't find it very informing. I took those in the summer of '84


LG: So you chose Journalism, how did decide to join the Advance Titan?

ME: I saw an add in the Advance Titan and it said they wanted people to help produce the advertising pay stubs, so I went and checked it out you know because there was money involved albeit very little but still. And I've always felt that hands on is one of the most effective ways to learn. Mainly because you learn better from your mistakes that way. So i went over there and [inaudible] and I was pretty good at it. Sooo--. well it was going into spring of '85 and the 13:00person who was going to be the editor just coerced me into it. So I was the ad production manager for a couple semesters. Then I was the design editor and then I think that was it. And you know I wrote stuff, it was just fun. And looked on it and ok, this what i'm choosing to do for a profession. So i looked at not as fun time but as I'm doing a job. And sometimes that rubbed people the wrong way but you know to me that's what it was. Actually other people kind of rung a bell 14:00with them and they started thinking of it that way too. It was a lot of fun, it really was. There were of course, in any organization there are gonna be personalities that rub a little bit the wrong way. But for the most part it was a really good experience.

LG: Well good. Just to go back a little bit, what exactly was your job description as you said an ad production manager? Like what did you do for the paper?

ME: It was my responsibility to create all the advertising.

LG: Ok, so did you work a lot

ME: You had to lead other people into producing it, you know. I didn't do it all myself but I was responsible for making sure it was all done.

LG: Ok, so how much, did you have interaction with the actual businesses that you were making the advertisements?


ME: Oh yes, the sales people would go out and sell the space and get the information they wanted in it. They bring it back, write it up, give it to me, I'd create it, and sometimes it was cut and dried exactly as camera ready, what they wanted. Other times I had to produce it, and then either they or I would take it to the advertiser for proofing and then we would print it.

LG: OK, so similar to what you did as a design producer or what did that do?

ME: Yeah the design editor basically, I made what was called the budget and that's --- let's say there is ten stories ok. That are done and ready to go into this paper, well the ones that are timely need to go in positively were graded 16:00'A's and then there were 'B's and 'C's. So I would decide what category they had to be in and then I would actually do the layout on these big sheets of paper we had. I would write the name of the story and exactly how it should be positioned in the paper. It was daunting at first but then it turned into fun. It was like a huge jigsaw puzzle every week. And sometimes there's a little space and go scramble and try and find just a stand alone photograph that we could but in there with some few words.

LG: And so you said and I actually read a couple of your articles where you actually wrote them. So what were some of the, just what were some of the 17:00articles that you did and what really went into writing an article for the Titan?

ME: I think the biggest I ever did for the AT was, I did a 4 part series centering academic dishonesty. I did, my favorite thing to was a editorial comments. Cause I really have this great ability to be a wise ass. I like to say things that make people think.

LG: Mhmm

ME: I still love doing that today when I get a chance. I wrote a think about a glass blower that came up for some spring something. I did one on a professor 18:00from Madison, gave a lecture on maps in Clow. Covered a guy talking about his experiences as a judge on the Pulitzer Prizes. You know I averaged probably one every 2 weeks or so.

LG: So you were there for almost 3 years, what were some of the people that you met, and anything that lead on, who really mentored you or did you just kinda jump in?

ME: I really did jump in. I made a couple of close friends who were a year or two ahead of me. And we learned from each other because these were kids that were like 2 and 3 years out of high school. So I could have outlook of seasoned 19:00in the school of life a little bit and they could have more academic things I could build on. I still have a very good relationship with one of the editors, the first one I worked under. Sadly to say others whose relationships I valued we've just now completely lost contact. But you know what we all learned from one another.

LG: All right. So being at the Titan I'm sure you kind of got a better look on some of the more major issues that were going around on the campus at the time.

ME: Oh yeah, yeah

LG: So I don't know if you just wanted or anything that sticks out in your mind 20:00that you remember going on while you were there than that maybe you'd necessarily work on?

ME: There was a, student senate president, student body president whatever. Who got busted I believe it was for drugs, and got sent to prison. There was an issue that was on and off about the operation and pricing policy of the bookstore. That's probably still going on. And with the student government there were, I don't know heated debate. There was one guy I can't remember his name, he was the vice president and he was kind of real Dan Quayleish. He would say things stating them as I believe this fact when they were nowheres near fact. 21:00But that was pretty much the big issues back then.

LG: Well I know the drinking age got changed pretty much right when you got there, and guess it didn't really affect you as much since you were obviously much older. But did that really have an impact on the students, who were younger?

ME: I didn't see it if it did.

LG: Ok. So well I guess what is your job now?

ME: I'm semi-retired now.

LG: Ok

ME: And I work part time managing a pawn shop

LG: All right. So I mean really what experiences at the Advance Titan helped you 22:00when you did graduate to find a job.

ME: Well I worked in Appleton at the YMCA and I was an assistant librarian at the Institute of Paper Chemistry. Until my wife graduated like year and a half later. Then we moved to San Diego and I did some odd jobs there. Then we moved to Washington state and I started a newsletter magazine for one of the Navy commands on the base. Worked part time in a gun shop for awhile. And worked in the personal property division of the government. From there we moved to Oak 23:00Carver, Washington. [Inaudible]. Wait, I got a job as a public affairs officer for the base that was an air station. And that was the most amazing experience I've ever had. I did everything from manage the base newspaper weekly to going and representing the US government to receive complaints from neighbors that don't like the noise of the airplanes. I even took up a formal complaint from the Japanese Communist Party, protesting that US even had military there and it's a formal thing. I mean, they don't march around with signs they just come and they bow and present this document to you and you know, everything's real 24:00protocally and then they just turn and walk away there's no like protests. Like we know them as. Another highlight over there is. So I had to escort, basically supervise a group of international journalists to make the trip to the island of Hiroshima, because that's where the air wing would do their practicing for landings and takeoffs and so it was easier to do it there and not have to deal with all the complaints from the general public, That was an awesome experience with that history that was about there. And Oh, I was just totally awe stricken. And there is where I was blessed with outstanding health and we, we started an 25:00educational, I don't like a work-study program for spouses and children of Navy people where they can learn how to be a journalist on how to write a story, what kind of photos to take, how to lay out a page and whatever. But we had, I trained with a little bit of help. I trained like 38 volunteers and thanks to Steven and they wanted, they like doing that stuff for free and I loved doing it. under my, under my guidance the newspaper was named, the second base, the second best installation newspaper in the Department of Defense and they 26:00continued that for three years under my eye and I left and they stopped winning. But I was kind of proud of that. And the people who were sailors that worked for me, I still keep in contact with some of them and it was such an honor for them to tell me that I was a good mentor to them. And because of the things I taught them they're leading a successful today. I mean that, that means more than many wages here that can't be inclusive, not be replaced with anything. So then we left Japan and came to Millington, Tennessee north north of Memphis. And here I 27:00was again the deputy public affairs officer for the entire base and it was an administrative base, bureau personnel was headquartered for recruiting is here and they did some realignment in 2005 and that was right after Hurricane Katrina. And there were people that were in the [inaudible] who had more government tenure than I did. So I got the displaced. And so I started my own little PR company or tried to. That's right when the Internet was really getting hot and I couldn't compete with the free stuff that the people could get in the internet. I went through a personal major illness. Then which my first wife, 28:00divorced me. I recuperated from that, started back to school, getting a master's degree in public relations at the university of Memphis and then I was caregiver to my mom when she fell terminally ill. About the time, like three weeks before she passed, I got married again. To a lady who was one of my, one my clients in my little PR business that I attempted. And though I was going to write a book about her, which I'm still working on and that's, you know, we've spent so much time together. We fell in love, got married. She's a, the reason that she was my 29:00client is she's a retired professional wrestler and she was getting, she wanted to get back into the ring, and I was handling her comeback as her manager.

LG: Wow.

ME: It's an interesting background

LG: Yeah wow, you've got some really crazy life experiences. So since you graduated UWO, obviously you've been really all over the place, but how much, I guess interaction or involvement have you had with UWO since then?

ME: You know, I'm a member of the alumni association and that's pretty much about it. And it's not a matter of lack of desire. It's a, it's a question that 30:00is geographically difficult. That was going to grocery store here probably about five or six years ago. And there was a woman wearing a UW Oshkosh hoodie. That's like, start talking to her. She said, Oh, this isn't mine I bought this at a thrift store. Oh well

LG: Oh well could have been. Just going back to your time actually at UW Osh, really what was your, what are some of your more memorable stories or times that you had? Well not necessarily on campus, but while you were a student.

ME: it was always amusing. What's her name? Sister Pat was her name. She was 31:00kind of a 50ish librarian, Stereotype looking woman. She would come and stand on the library steps and lecture about sin. And one other guy that would come with her and he was Brother Jim I believe. And I mean a crowd would gather and they would just heckle, some of the things people would say were hilarious and they didn't miss a beat. Just kept telling everybody that we would all go to Hell because we [inaudible] and we did this or we did that. The experiences were 32:00pretty much arcademic, I wasn't a involved socially anywhere except the AT. No, I didn't go to basketball games or football games or anything like that. So that, those are my highlights, the fun times putting together the newspaper. We know some of the unique experiences that, that happened.

LG: Well nice, so well what really would you give any advice to a current student like myself? Anything that you had, any knowledge you'd like to impart?

ME: Yes. When you sign up to take a class, go to the library or go online and 33:00read something that your professor next semester has written.

LG: Oh, alright

ME: Because you will gain two things. You will get an idea of how that person likes things written. And secondly, just close your eyes and imagine your in class for the first day and your profession or your professors stands up and he says, what do you think the best color for a car? If you've read something that he's written then you might know that he thinks it's blue. So you raise your hand and you say I think it's blue. And then the professors says I like this guy he thinks like I do.


LG: Hahaha

ME: But any clown, any clown can sit there, the professor says well I think blue is. Oh I think your right professor, I think blue is too. You see you only have that one opportunity to jump in on the blind side, without looking like a brown-noser. And when you find those things out just by reading things they've written

LG: So I assume that that's something that you did that while you were here, when you get it a professor.

ME: I discovered, I developed that theory when I was in Grad school in Memphis.

LG: Oh, alright.

ME:I wish I would have thought of it earlier, believe me

LG: So you mentioned Grad School in Memphis, was that for. What was that? What was that for?

ME: Just for the hell of it because I wanting to do it.

LG: That's a pretty unique thing for people just for the hell of it to go to Grad school.

ME: Well, I always, I entertain the notion of teaching journalism. I believe I 35:00have an idea of a very unique way, that would be successful. Better than the current methods or the methods that I had [inaudible]. And having a master's degree is a ticket to do that. So that was the motivating force I guess.

LG: So I take it you never actually got around to teaching or did you actually teach at some point or?

ME: No, well the only time I've taught was with the training of the volunteers and stuff. Yeah, that's as far as I ever went.

LG: A little bit more about Oshkosh while you were here, anything. What do you 36:00really remember about the city itself? Not necessarily the campus, but just about like, I don't know what, what stands out in your mind when you think of Oshkosh?

ME: It was a sad thing. They tried so hard to make their downtown area viable and either the timing was off or something just didn't work. because instead of having a prosperous downtown area, everything just moved out to the west side. I thought that was a sad thing. Now I guess I'm a romantic traditionalist, if you will. It just, it just seemed like it was sad, they had this little itty bitty 37:00shopping mall down there. I don't know if it had a half dozen stores maybe, and that couldn't even make it. it was a, I don't know, I just, I guess i like the coziness of an old fashioned town.

LG: There's nothing wrong with that.

ME: Yeah. Another thing that was noticeable is that the city of Oshkosh had the University, had a good working relationship. Oh, there wasn't a big town and down head butting you know. The students didn't have this reputation of just 38:00being just a bunch of animals and people are going to tear your property up if your rent to own, you know, they, it was a good relationship.

LG: Good, good. So I totally just lost my spot. I don't remember when you said earlier, did you say that you, actually had kids with your second wife or not?

ME: Oh no no no I don't

LG: All right. Well, so I guess, did any of your other family members ever attend college or I know your dad was a navy man, but did your mom ever.

ME: No, afterwards he had retired. She took an associate's degree from Nicolet 39:00College in Rhinelander, but that was it. And my half siblings all went to college. I know that, that was the first of the first I guess

LG: So then what really made you think that college was where you needed to be? Or was that just kind of a whim.

ME: Well it was a backfire. Because to live at the same level financially as I had as a truck driver. I needed a college degree to get that kind of job. And in 40:00my formative years. It was if you wanted a good job you're gonna have to go to college. So when I couldn't make the kind of money, I did driving I went to college

LG: Yeah. I mean nowadays it's almost impossible to get any kind of a, a good job or some sort of higher education. And so what, is there really any, I don't know, classes that you really enjoyed that you took at Oshkosh that you really remember well?

ME: The two best classes I took, I took them from the same professor, Dr Wendell 41:00Beane, and he was in the religious department. And he had classes entitled, oh God what were they, alike religion and social issues or something like that. Religion and personal issues or ethics, personal and social ethics. And he was the only professor that I had at Oshkosh that did not give a fill in the dot test. We had to use the little exam books and write out the answers to questions and they, they, they didn't take just two or three pages to answer. I did not 42:00discover him till in my senior year and I was sorry for it because it wasn't an exercise in open the book and memorize stuff. It was here's the information how do you use that information and do you understand it not just memorize it. We didn't even have a textbook for the classes. It was all, it was almost like a seminar rather than an academic class. But his exams were tough. Let me tell you, you couldn't fake your way through one, but it was, he was, he was the only one that did not have a fill in the dots with a number two pencil.

LG: Yeah. I mean, almost all our tests now are scantron where it's almost all 43:00multiple choice

ME: I don't know. [inaudible] Anyway, he was, you know, he was my best professor. I loved that guy and the way he taught, and I kind of felt short changed that other people didn't teach that way. So it wasn't just memorization regurgitation. But such is life.

LG: Yeah. Well yeah, that's, I guess everyone likes to learn how they learn and if you found, you found what you liked and that's, that's wonderful. Um, so

ME: Well just look at the other side of that though Landen, you know, much cost 44:00to go to college. Right.

LG: Yes

ME: OK, and you could go online, go to Kindle or wherever you go and you could download all your textbooks and plus any other books you wanted to do. It would cost you 100 bucks, maybe

LG: Probably more now yeah

ME: You could memorize those books, memorize everything in them. What's the difference between you and someone who is sat through the classes? You know the same information,

LG: Right, yeah. No, I see how that is. That's a very good point.

ME: And there was no proof that either one of you knows how to apply that information.

LG: Yes. That's very true too.

ME: So that's my outlook on it. I had that outlook when I was there too. You 45:00know I just read the book and take a test, I didn't have to go to class. And that's what a lot of people did there that I know of, you know, they were would be like two people in the same class and only one of them would go to class. And take good notes and share them.

LG: What was. So is that like a popular thing on campus?

ME: I, I don't know how popular it was. There were a few classes with myself than like four or five of us. We did that. But i heard of others doing it. And we just take turns, you know, you go this week I'll go next week.

LG: So obviously they didn't take attendance during those classes or else you 46:00wouldn't have been able to get away with that. But

ME: I don't know if they say we're in the Clow [inaudible]. I don't know if they're still there.

LG: Yeah, yeah,

ME: Ok so I mean when you're, when you're in a room like that, it's like three quarters full, they don't miss a face.

LG: So were a lot of your classes, was that really your typical class size or?

ME: In the general studies, yes. You know, like you to take a science, you got to take so many history or a social science, most of those were. The major classes that were taught were I'd say no more than 20.


LG: Interesting. Yeah so while you weren't in class while you were in Oshkosh. Did you have, did you have an off campus job or what did you.

ME: No, no. I studied and with the AT

LG: And that was it, that's just what you did

ME: Yeah that was pretty much it. Go to class you know do homework or whatever. I had a cot set out because generally speaking we didn't get done until like 1:30 2:00 in the morning.

LG: Oh really.

ME: I'd just crash on this cot and get up and go to class next morning

LG: So you obviously spent a lot of late nights there.

ME: Oh yeah, yeah


LG: I guess what, what drew you to the AT? Why even, why even do that?

ME:, I just, I just looked at it on, well this is what I'm going to study so I might as well learn how to do it.

LG: You saw the ad and you're like, well this would be a good place to start if I really actually want to do this.

ME: Yeah.

LG: And was it a rocky start or as soon as you got in it, you were like, Yep, this is, this is where I need to be?

ME: I had pretty much come to terms, with that's the route I wanted to go because of the communication aspect. When I went to the AT at first I said well where do you need the most help. Whatever you need. I had some experience prior 49:00to that working at a print shop for a short period. So that's why I got into making the advertising. And I was good at it. So that's why they would, they made me do it.

LG: Did you ever have anything that you did at the AT that you didn't really like, you didn't like that aspect of the job or was it all pretty much you had it under control.

ME: Yeah, I didn't really have any, like I said sometimes there would be a personality that you didn't really like, but that's normal in any situation with that many people. Because like, I mean we're talking probably about 30, 35 people that were down there working at any on any given production night. There 50:00wasn't an aspect that I found to be drudgery or anything like that. It was fun learning, learning how to use these dinosaurs. So they're dinosaurs now. But back then, this was the cutting edge to know the type setting computers. We had you look at the keyboard and it looks like the Qwerty keyboard. It works, but we're a modern people now as the f one, two, three and all this was if you wanted an explanation point, you there is no explanation point on the keyboard. You have to memorize a OK, I pressed this button then this button to get an exclamation point or quote marks or something. That was just fun learning that 51:00stuff I guess.

ME: So you enjoyed that little extra stuff that you had to do?

ME:I love the type for the art. That was cool. I really felt like, man, I'm going for the 21st century now and uh, you know, and that leads me to something else that was the biggest detriment about Oshkosh. The journalism program was top notch, no question about it, but the timing, the chronology of it sucked. Because when I went in, when I started at Oshkosh the means of producing the 52:00newspaper on the outside of the campus, was going electronic. And in our classes we had typewriter. At the AT they had these low level, almost obsolete then, type setter. By the time I got out of Oshkosh, I was three years behind in these different word processing programs that were out here that the newspapers were using. As were my classmates, so Oshkosh didn't have the money to keep up with the current business world. We have the mechanics down, but we had to scramble to get efficient with the technology because it passed us. That's the only 53:00negative thing I can say. Besides the fill in the dot test.

LG: what kind of student would you have described yourself as? Obviously you spent a lot of time at the AT but did that ever. Was it ever hard to balance what you had to do at the AT and your actual class load or?

ME: Only one time I don't know where. I just got this wild hair that learn how to speak Russian, big mistake. I could have studied that 27 hours a day and not get anywhere so I dropped it. That was the only time tested. The professor was as nice as could be, but I just didn't have the time, my brain doesn't work that way,


LG: But other than that, you know, it was pretty easy.

ME: I had a good crew that helped me make the advertising, so I mean, the only time I couldn't take the class was Wednesday evening, there's no problem there. Usually a couple semesters into it We were getting the advertising done like Tuesday morning, we're done, done. We don't do anything more now. We did, we did you know, we'd chip in and help some. But we had our jobs.

LG: Well yeah, ok

ME: I just, I just like being the best I can be at whatever I'm doing. Sometimes I'd fall on my face sometimes i don't.

LG: It sounds for the most part like you did. You did a good job while you're 55:00here at the university. Seems to be that you did a lot at the AT

ME: Well I tried too

LG: Well, a really wraps up most of the questions that I had for you.

ME: Ok

LG:I guess if there's really anything else that you feel like we should've covered, you're free to really talk about whatever you want.

ME: I don't know of anything. But if you think of something please call me again.

LG: OK, I will.

ME: Leave a message what the question is and I'll get back to you.

LG: Alright perfect well thank you very much for doing this

ME: Best of luck with your education and this project and I hope it goes well.


LG: Yes.Thank you. I will hopefully be able to send you some sort of a final, a recording or at least a transcript of the interview, so I'll let you have it and you can keep it do whatever you want with it It's up to you.

ME: You know I hate the sound of my voice.

LG: Oh that, yeah. I can, I'll just send you a transcript. That's totally fine.

ME: That's fine too

LG: Sounds good. Well, thank you very much Mike

ME: Oh your welcome Landen thank you, good luck with this project.

LG: Yes thank you

ME: Mhmm bye

LG: Bye

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